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* Ps.119.24 "Heb. ''men of my counsel''" should be "Heb. ''men of counsel''" | * Ps.119.24 "Heb. ''men of my counsel''" should be "Heb. ''men of counsel''" | ||
* Ps.119.42 "... ''reproveth'' ..." should be "... ''reproacheth'' ..." | * Ps.119.42 "... ''reproveth'' ..." should be "... ''reproacheth'' ..." | ||
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| + | A fair number of proper names in the KJV have (in effect) more than one '''type''' attribute. e.g. The same word can be found as <tt>type="person"</tt> and elsewhere as <tt>type="geographic"</tt>. Even the word '''Adam''' occurs in one verse as a place name. | ||
| + | :(Joshua 3:16) That the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho. | ||
| + | Assigning the '''type''' attribute to the '''name''' element for such words would require a detailed appreciation of the context. It's not amenable to scripting. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 05:17, 7 August 2017 (MDT) | ||
Revision as of 11:17, 7 August 2017
Contents
- 1 Spelling issues in Blayney's 1769
- 2 catchWord and osisRef with @s[word]
- 3 List of ordinary words that are not found with all lowercase in the KJV main text
- 4 List of ordinary words that are also names
- 5 List of words that contain the EN DASH (U+2013)
- 6 List of words containing a hyphen
- 7 Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
- 8 Eleven verses detected with a comma missing
- 9 List of uppercase words in the KJV
- 10 Multi-word names in the KJV
- 11 Two suspect apostrophes in the apocrypha
- 12 Hyphenated words in the KJV Apocrypha
- 13 Spelling: ax or axe ?
- 14 Bipolar names in the DC books
- 15 Replace list for Oxford Text Archive book names
- 16 Oxford Text Archive - misled by the Complete Bible Genealogy site claims
- 17 Cambridge spellings in our Oxford based module
- 18 Textual emendations and module variants?
- 19 The possessive form of the divine name
- 20 Unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear with the en dash
- 21 An observation about 'hyphenated' names in the OT
- 22 Trinitarian Bible Society
- 23 Pronunciation help for KJV proper names
- 24 Textual discrepancies in KJV study notes
- 25 Names that have more than one type attribute
Spelling issues in Blayney's 1769
Though modern editions of the KJV claim to be essentially the same as the 1769 standard, Blayney's work still contained some archaic spellings and some inconsistent spellings. Most of these were unified amd corrected in works such as the Scofield Bible that was used as the Reference Text for the earlier editions of the KJV module. Though there is much to be gained by examining the Blayney's 1769, it would be a retrograde step to revert the KJV module to his spellings.
For further details please visit my user page: User:David Haslam/Benjamin Blayney's 1769 KJV.
David Haslam 10:37, 25 January 2016 (MST)
- I don't think it'd be a backward step. But if so, maybe we fork the KJV as what we have now is not the 1769 Blayney, but rather Old Scofield? There is considerable value in having an accurate text for the Blayney edition. --Dmsmith 11:11, 25 January 2016 (MST)
- Rather than forking the module (which would lead to a lot of extra work), I would prefer to use OSIS markup to record spelling (and punctuation) variants in the various printed editions 1769 to present. David Haslam 04:26, 27 January 2016 (MST)
- It's not as if we don't already have another related module which has become outdated compared to the KJV, namely the KJVA module with the Apocrypha included. The Protocanonical Books for that should ideally have been made to track the KJV module in terms of updates. David Haslam 04:29, 27 January 2016 (MST)
- Rather than forking the module (which would lead to a lot of extra work), I would prefer to use OSIS markup to record spelling (and punctuation) variants in the various printed editions 1769 to present. David Haslam 04:26, 27 January 2016 (MST)
catchWord and osisRef with @s[word]
Not sure why this got removed?
- Add osisRef to catchWord (for now at least, mainly for single keywords).
David Haslam 13:01, 29 January 2016 (MST)
- Reinstated for 2.10 – David Haslam 09:11, 30 January 2016 (MST)
List of ordinary words that are not found with all lowercase in the KJV main text
- This list may not be complete.
The following 41 ordinary words are not found with all lowercase letters: (i.e. these capitalised words are not names)
Accounting Acquaint Alleluia Associate Backbiters Blotting Choosing Distributing Endeavouring Enflaming Enviest Ephphatha Esteeming Finally God’s Godhead God-ward Hosanna I Launch Listen Maranatha MENE Musician O Outcast Owe PERES Produce Providing Rabbi Raca Remembering Revilest Submitting Talitha TEKEL Traitors UPHARSIN Wherewithal Yes
This list can be used for fine tuning the filtering of a complete words list in order to tabulate names that occur in the KJV text.
My big list now includes words that are in the canonical Psalm titles. David Haslam (talk) 14:39, 5 February 2017 (MST)
List of ordinary words that are also names
- This list may not be complete.
The following 44 ordinary words in the KJV are also names:[1][2][3][4]
Angel Apostle Bishop Branch Creator Death Devil Faithful Father Ghost God Governor Hell Holy High Judge King Lamb Light Lion Lord Lot Master No On One Priest Prince Prophet Put Rock Saviour Sceptre Seer Shepherd Sin Son Spirit Star Strength Sun True Word Wormwood
Notes:
- ↑ That is, they are found capitalised mid-sentence.
- ↑ Some of these are symbolic names for Christ.
- ↑ This list currently excludes uppercase words.
- ↑ Names in the KJV that are ordinary words outside the KJV will not be listed.
David Haslam (talk) 09:56, 11 February 2017 (MST)
List of words that contain the EN DASH (U+2013)
The following is a counted list of the 259 different words in the KJV containing the EN DASH character used as a hyphen:[1][2][3]
Count Word 00015 Abed–nego 00002 Abel–beth–maachah 00001 Abel–maim 00003 Abel–meholah 00001 Abel–mizraim 00001 Abel–shittim 00001 Abi–albon 00004 Abi–ezer 00001 Abi–ezrite 00002 Abi–ezrites 00003 Adoni–bezek 00002 Adoni–zedek 00004 Al–taschith 00001 Allon–bachuth 00002 Almon–diblathaim 00001 Aram–naharaim 00001 Aram–zobah 00003 Ashdoth–pisgah 00001 Ataroth–adar 00001 Ataroth–addar 00001 Aznoth–tabor 00002 Baal–berith 00003 Baal–gad 00001 Baal–hamon 00005 Baal–hanan 00001 Baal–hazor 00002 Baal–hermon 00003 Baal–meon 00006 Baal–peor 00004 Baal–perazim 00001 Baal–shalisha 00001 Baal–tamar 00004 Baal–zebub 00003 Baal–zephon 00001 Baalath–beer 00001 Bamoth–baal 00001 Bar–jesus 00001 Bar–jona 00001 Bashan–havoth–jair 00001 Bath–rabbim 00011 Bath–sheba 00001 Bath–shua 00001 Beer–elim 00001 Beer–lahai–roi 00034 Beer–sheba 00001 Beesh–terah 00001 Ben–ammi 00027 Ben–hadad 00001 Ben–hail 00001 Ben–hanan 00001 Ben–oni 00001 Ben–zoheth 00001 Bene–berak 00002 Bene–jaakan 00001 Berodach–baladan 00003 Beth–anath 00001 Beth–anoth 00003 Beth–arabah 00001 Beth–aram 00001 Beth–arbel 00007 Beth–aven 00001 Beth–azmaveth 00001 Beth–baal–meon 00002 Beth–barah 00001 Beth–birei 00001 Beth–car 00002 Beth–dagon 00001 Beth–diblathaim 00066 Beth–el 00001 Beth–elite 00001 Beth–emek 00001 Beth–ezel 00001 Beth–gader 00001 Beth–gamul 00002 Beth–haccerem 00001 Beth–haran 00001 Beth–hogla 00002 Beth–hoglah 00014 Beth–horon 00003 Beth–jeshimoth 00001 Beth–jesimoth 00001 Beth–lebaoth 00031 Beth–lehem 00010 Beth–lehem–judah 00004 Beth–lehemite 00002 Beth–maachah 00002 Beth–marcaboth 00001 Beth–meon 00002 Beth–nimrah 00001 Beth–palet 00001 Beth–pazzez 00004 Beth–peor 00001 Beth–phelet 00001 Beth–rapha 00002 Beth–rehob 00003 Beth–shan 00006 Beth–shean 00021 Beth–shemesh 00002 Beth–shemite 00001 Beth–shittah 00001 Beth–tappuah 00004 Beth–zur 00001 Caleb–ephratah 00001 Chephar–haammonai 00001 Chisloth–tabor 00001 Chor–ashan 00004 Chushan–rishathaim 00002 Col–hozeh 00001 Dan–jaan 00002 Dibon–gad 00006 Ebed–melech 00003 Eben–ezer 00001 El–beth–el 00001 El–elohe–Israel 00001 El–paran 00001 Elon–beth–hanan 00001 En–eglaim 00003 En–gannim 00006 En–gedi 00001 En–haddah 00001 En–hakkore 00001 En–hazor 00001 En–mishpat 00001 En–rimmon 00004 En–rogel 00002 En–shemesh 00001 En–tappuah 00001 Ephes–dammim 00003 Esar–haddon 00002 Esh–baal 00002 Evil–merodach 00003 Ezion–gaber 00004 Ezion–geber 00001 Gath–hepher 00004 Gath–rimmon 00001 Gittah–hepher 00001 Gur–baal 00001 Hamath–zobah 00001 Hammoth–dor 00002 Hamon–gog 00002 Havoth–jair 00001 Hazar–addar 00004 Hazar–enan 00001 Hazar–gaddah 00001 Hazar–hatticon 00004 Hazar–shual 00001 Hazar–susah 00001 Hazar–susim 00001 Hazazon–tamar 00001 Hazezon–tamar 00001 Helkath–hazzurim 00002 Hephzi–bah 00002 Hor–hagidgad 00001 I–chabod 00001 I–chabod’s 00002 Ije–abarim 00001 Ir–nahash 00001 Ir–shemesh 00012 Ish–bosheth 00002 Ish–tob 00001 Ishbi–benob 00001 Ittah–kazin 00001 Jaare–oregim 00012 Jabesh–gilead 00001 Jashubi–lehem 00001 Jegar–sahadutha 00001 Jehovah–jireh 00001 Jehovah–nissi 00001 Jehovah–shalom 00002 Jiphthah–el 00001 Jonath–elem–rechokim 00001 Jushab–hesed 00010 Kadesh–barnea 00001 Kedesh–naphtali 00001 Keren–happuch 00005 Kibroth–hattaavah 00001 Kir–haraseth 00001 Kir–hareseth 00001 Kir–haresh 00002 Kir–heres 00006 Kirjath–arba 00001 Kirjath–arim 00002 Kirjath–baal 00001 Kirjath–huzoth 00018 Kirjath–jearim 00001 Kirjath–sannah 00004 Kirjath–sepher 00002 Lahai–roi 00001 Lo–ammi 00003 Lo–debar 00002 Lo–ruhamah 00001 Maaleh–acrabbim 00001 Magor–missabib 00001 Mahaneh–dan 00002 Maher–shalal–hash–baz 00004 Malchi–shua 00001 Me–jarkon 00001 Melchi–shua 00004 Merib–baal 00001 Meribah–Kadesh 00001 Merodach–baladan 00001 Metheg–ammah 00001 Migdal–el 00001 Migdal–gad 00002 Misrephoth–maim 00001 Moresheth–gath 00001 Nathan–melech 00015 Nebuzar–adan 00003 Nergal–sharezer 00020 Obed–edom 00010 Padan–aram 00006 Pahath–moab 00001 Pas–dammim 00001 Perez–uzza 00001 Perez–uzzah 00001 Pharaoh–hophra 00001 Pharaoh–necho 00004 Pharaoh–nechoh 00001 Pi–beseth 00004 Pi–hahiroth 00003 Poti–pherah 00002 Rab–mag 00002 Rab–saris 00008 Rab–shakeh 00001 Ramath–lehi 00001 Ramath–mizpeh 00001 Ramathaim–zophim 00019 Ramoth–gilead 00001 Regem–melech 00001 Remmon–methoar 00002 Rimmon–parez 00002 Romamti–ezer 00001 Ru–hamah 00001 Samgar–nebo 00001 Sela–hammahlekoth 00001 Shear–jashub 00004 Shethar–boznai 00001 Shihor–libnath 00001 Shimron–meron 00001 Shoshannim–eduth 00001 Shushan–eduth 00001 Succoth–benoth 00001 Syria–damascus 00001 Syria–maachah 00001 Taanath–shiloh 00001 Tahtim–hodshi 00001 Tel–abib 00001 Tel–haresha 00001 Tel–harsa 00002 Tel–melah 00003 Tiglath–pileser 00003 Tilgath–pilneser 00001 Timnath–heres 00002 Timnath–serah 00001 Tob–adonijah 00002 Tubal–cain 00001 Uzzen–sherah 00001 Zaphnath–paaneah 00001 Zareth–shahar
Note:
- ↑ This list includes such words as found in the canonical Psalm titles.
- ↑ A few of these words may also appear elsewhere in the Bible without the EN DASH.
- ↑ The name Shoshannim–eduth in the title for Psalm 80 is actually Shoshannim–Eduth in the Blayney edition.
Similar names in the KJV study notes
Here's a counted list of the 88 such names:
Count Name 00001 Abel–mizraim 00001 Abel–shittim 00001 Abi–albon 00004 Al–taschith 00001 Allon–bachuth 00001 Aram–naharaim 00003 Ashdoth–pisgah 00002 Baal–meon 00002 Baal–perazim 00001 Baalath–beer 00001 Bamoth–baal 00002 Bath–sheba 00001 Bath–shua 00001 Bath–shuah 00001 Beer–lahai–roi 00002 Beer–sheba 00001 Ben–abinadab 00001 Ben–dekar 00001 Ben–geber 00001 Ben–hesed 00001 Ben–hur 00001 Ben–oni 00001 Berodach–baladan 00002 Beth–azmaveth 00001 Beth–eden 00003 Beth–el 00001 Beth–ezel 00002 Beth–nimrah 00001 Beth–shemesh 00001 Eben–ezer 00001 El–beth–el 00001 El–elohe–Israel 00001 El–paran 00001 En–hakkore 00001 En–rogel 00002 Ephes–dammim 00002 Esh–baal 00001 Gibeah–haaraloth 00001 Hamon–gog 00001 Hatsi–ham–menuchoth 00001 Havoth–jair 00001 Hazar–hatticon 00001 Hazar–susah 00001 Hazar–susim 00001 Helkath–hazzurim 00001 Hephzi–bah 00002 Ije–abarim 00001 Ir–nahash 00002 Ish–bosheth 00001 Ish–tob 00002 Jaare–oregim 00001 Jegar–sahadutha 00001 Jehovah–jireh 00001 Jehovah–nissi 00001 Jehovah–shalom 00001 Jehovah–shammah 00002 Jehovah–tsidkenu 00002 Kibroth–hattaavah 00001 Kir–haraseth 00002 Kirjath–arba 00001 Kirjath–arim 00001 Kirjath–huzoth 00002 Kirjath–jearim 00002 Maaleh–acrabbim 00001 Magor–missabib 00001 Mahaneh–dan 00001 Maher–shalal–hash–baz 00003 Merib–baal 00001 Meribah–kadesh 00001 Meribah–Kadesh 00001 Merodach–baladan 00001 Metheg–ammah 00001 Misrephoth–maim 00001 Moresheth–gath 00001 Obed–edom 00001 Perez–uzza 00001 Perez–uzzah 00001 Pi–beseth 00001 Ramath–lehi 00001 Ru–hamah 00001 Sela–hammahlekoth 00001 Shear–jashub 00001 Tahtim–hodshi 00001 Tiglath–pileser 00001 Tilgath–pilneser 00001 Timnath–heres 00001 Timnath–serah 00001 Zaphnath–paaneah
List of words containing a hyphen
The following is a counted list of the only 5 words in the KJV containing an ordinary hyphen:
Count Word 00003 God-ward 00001 joint-heirs 00001 thee-ward 00003 us-ward 00003 you-ward
Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
Of the 3609 words in the KJV that are proper names, only 2392 have entries in Hitchcock (two thirds of the total). David Haslam (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2017 (MST)
Eleven verses detected with a comma missing
Detailed analysis of the pattern Name Name has detected the following 11 verses that have a comma missing between the two names:
Location Name Name II Chronicles 16:1 Asa Baasha II Kings 12:1 Jehu Jehoash II Kings 13:1 Judah Jehoahaz II Kings 14:23 Judah Jeroboam II Kings 15:27 Judah Pekah II Kings 15:23 Judah Pekahiah Daniel 2:1 Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar Jeremiah 52:30 Nebuchadrezzar Nebuzar–adan Numbers 13:16 Nun Jehoshua II Chronicles 12:2 Rehoboam Shishak II Kings 16:1 Remaliah Ahaz
David Haslam (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2017 (MST)
- These don't have a comma in Blayney. --Dmsmith (talk) 12:54, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- Nor in Old Scofield. --Dmsmith (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- To illustrate in more detail, here's one of these verses: (the others are similar)
- Daniel 2:1: And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
- The KJV departed here from best practice English punctuation. Many more recent printings have the comma inserted. David Haslam (talk) 09:53, 26 February 2017 (MST)
List of uppercase words in the KJV
This is a list of 40 uppercase words found in the KJV text:
ABOMINATIONS AM AND BABYLON BRANCH EARTH GOD GREAT HARLOTS HOLINESS I IS JAH JEHOVAH JESUS JEWS KING KINGS LORD LORD’S LORDS MENE MOTHER MYSTERY NAZARETH O OF OUR PERES RIGHTEOUSNESS TEKEL THAT THE THIS THY TO UNKNOWN UNTO UPHARSIN
Some of these are parts of multiword names. David Haslam (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2017 (MST)
Multi-word names in the KJV
There are several patterns that match multi-word names in which the two main words are capitalized:
- Name Name
- Name of Name
- Name of the Name
- Name the Name
- Name in Name
- Name at Name
There are also some three word names, such as:
- Lord Jesus Christ
Yet there are also names in which the major part of the name is not capitalized:
- Isaiah 35:8: And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
- Jeremiah 16:21: Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.
- Jeremiah 19:6: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.
- Lamentations 2:15: All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying, Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?
- Ezekiel 39:11: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon–gog.
- Amos 5:27: Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
- Zechariah 6:12: And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
- Acts 27:8: And, hardly passing it, came unto a place which is called The fair havens; nigh whereunto was the city of Lasea.
- Acts 28:15: And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.
- Revelation of John 19:13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
David Haslam (talk) 06:56, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Jer 16:21 should be Lord, not LORD. --Dmsmith (talk) 13:01, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- Agreed. I didn't then know how to do small-caps in the wiki. David Haslam (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
Two suspect apostrophes in the apocrypha
A search of the DC books for the regexp [^s]\x{2019}\s gave two matches:
- Sirach 8:1: Strive not with a mighty man’ lest thou fall into his hands.
- II Maccabees 7:39: Than the king’ being in a rage, handed him worse than all the rest, and took it grievously that he was mocked.
Most online versions are the same. Both items look suspicious. They don't meet any grammatical rule involving possessives. Further research required. David Haslam (talk) 13:15, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- I also think the first word in 2Macc.7.39 ought to be "Then" and not "Than". David Haslam (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2017 (MST)
Both verses would appear more correct if the right single quotation mark was replaced with a comma:
- Sirach 8:1: Strive not with a mighty man, lest thou fall into his hands.
- II Maccabees 7:39: Then the king, being in a rage, handed him worse than all the rest, and took it grievously that he was mocked.
cf. There are 80 matches in the DC books to the pattern ", being ". David Haslam (talk) 13:28, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Decided to make these changes. David Haslam (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2017 (MST)
Hyphenated words in the KJV Apocrypha
There are only three hyphenated words in the deuterocanonical books, all place names:
Beth-horon Cades-Barne En-gaddi
But are there any other names in the DC books that ought to be hyphenated?
Phaath Moab Pahath Moab
The spelling difference between 1Esd.5.11 and 1Esd.8.31 also needs to be checked.
cf. Pahath–moab occurs six times in the KJV. This is the only hyphenated name in the KJV that occurs with a space in place of the hyphen in the DC books. Note the case difference too. David Haslam (talk) 09:07, 19 February 2017 (MST)
Spelling: ax or axe ?
Another hapax legomenon to consider:
Baruch 6:15: He hath also in his right hand a dagger and an ax: but cannot deliver himself from war and thieves.
Should this be axe as some online versions have it? cf. The KJV has 13 instances of 'axe' and none of 'ax' other than this in the DC book. David Haslam (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Decided to make this change. David Haslam (talk) 01:15, 15 February 2017 (MST)
- Blayney has ax. --Dmsmith (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- This change is to be reverted, and the 13 instances of the Cambridge spelling 'axe' are to changed to the Oxford spelling 'ax'. David Haslam (talk) 14:14, 16 March 2017 (MDT)
Bipolar names in the DC books
Here is a counted list of the bipolar names (aka polynym) found in the KJV DC books:
00002 Antiochus Epiphanes 00002 Antiochus Eupator 00001 Judas John’s 00007 Judas Maccabeus 00001 Judith Holofernes 00001 Jupiter Olympius 00001 Massias Israel 00001 Pahath Moab 00001 Phaath Moab 00002 Ptolemeus Philometor 00001 Quintus Memmius 00001 Simon Chosameus 00001 Titus Manlius
I have excluded the pattern "Persians Belemus" found in 1Esd.2.16 which is really two names.
I have also excluded three locations where a punctuation mark was missing. David Haslam (talk) 10:07, 19 February 2017 (MST)
Replace list for Oxford Text Archive book names
This list of book names suffices to replace those in the file KJV.1060 downloaded from the OTA with proper OSIS Book Abbreviations:
Pss Ps Qoh Eccl Cant Song 1Esdr 1Esd 4Ezra 2Esd AddDan PrAzar 1Mac 1Macc 2Mac 2Macc 1Thes 1Thess 2Thes 2Thess Tit Titus
In addition to the above, in order to match Versification=KJVA:
- AddEsth must be reversified to start at 10.4
- The note in SirP must move into Sir and the book SirP removed
- EpJer must be reversified as Bar.6
The other books already had the correct book abbreviation. David Haslam (talk) 04:28, 12 March 2017 (MDT)
Oxford Text Archive - misled by the Complete Bible Genealogy site claims
I have removed this from the External Links section:
- Bible. English. Authorized – at the Oxford Text Archive[1][2]
Note:
- ↑ according to Complete Bible Genealogy, this is actually the text for the Oxford 1769 Blayney edition, albeit the description has "Exact edition not recorded." It's the complete text for 82 books including the Apocrypha. The text format is TEI Lite. The text is without cross-refs or notes, apart from 6 explanatory notes for some DC books. It omits the canonical Psalm titles. It also omits the non-canonical colophons to the Epistles. David has converted the source text to OSIS XML.
- ↑ A comparison of the text with that of our KJV & KJVA modules has led me to the conclusion that the KJV.1060 download is NOT that of the Blayney Oxford Edition. It has too many differences and typos to be a reliable independent source. Based on its spelling inquire rather than enquire, it's actually derived from a Cambridge University Press edition. Even so, there are serious spelling errors among the typos.
David Haslam (talk) 08:54, 14 March 2017 (MDT)
Cambridge spellings in our Oxford based module
I've been comparing in detail the differences between the Cambridge and Oxford editions of the KJV, using a number of sources. My work confirms that we need to correct a small number of minor textual discrepancies in the SWORD module. There's a residue of Cambridge spellings in our KJV module. David Haslam (talk) 03:18, 15 March 2017 (MDT)
Textual emendations and module variants?
The new focus on the observed differences between Cambridge spellings and Oxford spellings has brought fresh impetus to the possibility of using OSIS variants in the KJV & KJVA modules. This topic is added as a placeholder for further discussion on this. My initial proposal is:
- Variant 1 = Oxford 1769 Standard Edition of Benjamin Blayney
- Variant 2 = Old Scofield Edition
- Variant 3 = Cambridge Edition (yet to choose the suitable reference text)
David Haslam (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2017 (MDT)
- For implementation details, see https://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_variants
- David Haslam (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- For a related discussion in sword-devel during February 2014, see OSIS Variants - do we need a delimiter?
- David Haslam (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- Currently, "SWORD does not support more than two variants". Is this still true? David Haslam (talk) 09:47, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- cf. The Greek NT module [TischMorph] already uses GlobalOptionFilter=ThMLVariants
- David Haslam (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- See the proposal for enhancements to OSIS 211 CR#OSIS_variants. David Haslam (talk) 02:00, 22 March 2017 (MDT)
The possessive form of the divine name
The correct method (which is what we use) is to have<divineName>Lord’s</divineName> and not <divineName>Lord</divineName>’s.
See Rendering the divine name with small caps for details. Our wiki doesn't have the small caps template.
The first instance is in Exodus 9:29. Even so, with the typography of the Blayney edition, the sizes of the lowercase letter 's' and the small caps letter 's' are identical, so this is actually a difficult choice to make. The problem is that in modern digital fonts, the size of small caps letters are intermediate in height between lowercase letters and uppercase letters. I think it's for this reason that we see differences between modern KJV printed editions in this matter. Semantically, it makes more sense for the whole of the possessive form to be within the same markup element, rather than for the apostrophe and letter 's' to be outside the element.
David Haslam (talk) 04:36, 18 March 2017 (MDT)
- Aside: The KJVPCE module has the apostrophe and letter s outside the OSIS markup in 108 places:
<divineName>Lord</divineName>’s. This was not best practice. David Haslam (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
Unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear with the en dash
Excluding names found in the notes, these are the only unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear elsewhere in the main text containing the en dash:
00003 Abiezer 00008 Bethlehem 00001 Rabsaris 00008 Rabshakeh
The corresponding counts for those with the en dash are:
00004 Abi–ezer 00031 Beth–lehem 00002 Rab–saris 00008 Rab–shakeh
This is a strange inconsistency! Maybe it's there in the Blayney 1769 Oxford Edtion.
David Haslam (talk) 04:03, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
An observation about 'hyphenated' names in the OT
All the names that contain an en dash in the KJV module are without such 'hyphenation' in the "Pure Cambridge Edition" module KJVPCE. Currently this is also the case for the KJV Oxford 1769 text on Wikisource, though that can be systematically edited. David Haslam (talk) 04:27, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
Trinitarian Bible Society
FIO. The reference text used by TBS for their own settings of the AV is the Concord Reference Bible published by Cambridge University Press, "widely regarded as being the standard text of the KJV". "Never use the CUP Ruby Bible KJV text to check anything – it is error strewn." (Philip Hopkins, personal email to David Haslam (talk) dated 2014-02-17). David Haslam (talk) 07:33, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
- "CUP’s collection of Bibles has been built up over decades with different editions of the Bible being acquired from different publishers such as Eyre and Spottiswoode and others that have been bought out by CUP over the years. There is no synergy between the different editions, sadly, and all have a different stream of editors and proofreaders that have worked on them giving rise to minor variances in the text of nearly every edition." (Similar email dated 2014-02-18). David Haslam (talk) 07:39, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
The five book divisions in Psalms
"The Psalm book divisions aren’t thought to be original, but rather a Masoretic inclusion, although they probably were in Jewish tradition before the time of Christ – I believe there’s at least one Qumran manuscript that indicates the divisions. The Leningrad Codex (MT dated AD 1008) doesn’t include them, and our copy of Bomberg (1566) has them only as small insertions akin to the traditional reading marks in the Torah. Ginsburg’s MT, which we print, has them more clearly delineated, but why he doesn’t say. He says of his edition, ‘The Psalms have no Sections [i.e. traditional reading divisions], as each Psalm constitutes a continuous and undivided whole’ (Introduction to the Massoretico-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible [London: TBS, 1897], p. 17).
The book divisions seem to mark theme breaks in the Psalms (particularly the first three books) and may well have been used as liturgical groupings. Problems arise as to where the actual breaks should come, particularly with books 4 and 5, as they’re not consistent in mss that contain them.
Should we include them? We include a lot of other ‘extra-biblical’ material, such as chapter and verse breaks. But as the book breaks are normally classified as superscripts along the lines of those we now omit from the New Testament epistles, probably not. However, I think our lack of these divisions is more a matter of tradition than evidence: they don’t appear in the 1611, or in CUP or Oxford editions of the AV."
(Dr Debra Anderson, senior editor at TBS) (In an email from PH dated 2014-02-20). David Haslam (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
Pronunciation help for KJV proper names
Mike E Adams has developed a resource called BibleVox described as "English language Bible Text-To-Speech pronunciation lexicon and development/demonstration tools for the CMU Festival speech engine." David Haslam (talk) 07:54, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
Textual discrepancies in KJV study notes
This section is to record observed differences between the wording in the KJV module study notes and the wording of the note in the Blayney 1769 reference text (ignoring for this purpose that these notes in the module also have a catchWord element and corresponding text). David Haslam (talk) 10:39, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
- Ps.119.24 "Heb. men of my counsel" should be "Heb. men of counsel"
- Ps.119.42 "... reproveth ..." should be "... reproacheth ..."
Names that have more than one type attribute
A fair number of proper names in the KJV have (in effect) more than one type attribute. e.g. The same word can be found as type="person" and elsewhere as type="geographic". Even the word Adam occurs in one verse as a place name.
- (Joshua 3:16) That the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.
Assigning the type attribute to the name element for such words would require a detailed appreciation of the context. It's not amenable to scripting. David Haslam (talk) 05:17, 7 August 2017 (MDT)
