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A notable difference in how Strong's numbers are marked in the '''OSHB''' compared to the '''KJV''' has been observed. | A notable difference in how Strong's numbers are marked in the '''OSHB''' compared to the '''KJV''' has been observed. | ||
Revision as of 20:16, 6 July 2023
Contents
- 1 Spelling issues in Blayney's 1769
- 2 catchWord and osisRef with @s[word]
- 3 List of ordinary words that are not found with all lowercase in the KJV main text
- 4 List of ordinary words that are also names
- 5 List of words that contain the EN DASH (U+2013)
- 6 List of words containing a hyphen
- 7 Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
- 8 Eleven verses detected with a comma missing
- 9 List of uppercase words in the KJV
- 10 Multi-word names in the KJV
- 11 Two suspect apostrophes in the apocrypha
- 12 Hyphenated words in the KJV Apocrypha
- 13 Spelling: ax or axe ?
- 14 Bipolar names in the DC books
- 15 Replace list for Oxford Text Archive book names
- 16 Oxford Text Archive - misled by the Complete Bible Genealogy site claims
- 17 Cambridge spellings in our Oxford based module
- 18 Textual emendations and module variants?
- 19 The possessive form of the divine name
- 20 Unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear with the en dash
- 21 An observation about 'hyphenated' names in the OT
- 22 Trinitarian Bible Society
- 23 Pronunciation help for KJV proper names
- 24 Textual discrepancies in KJV study notes
- 25 Names that have more than one type attribute
- 26 Corrigendum for KJV - received in sword-devel 2017-12-17
- 27 divineName markup in the binomial "Lord God" ?
- 28 Cardinal numbers with older forms
- 29 Five locations where small caps is inappropriate for the divine name
- 30 strongMorph:THnnnn codes for Hebrew Morphology
- 31 Blayney 1769 edition: quarto or folio?
- 32 Punctuation issues?
- 33 Self-closing w elements
- 34 Words with ligatures in Blayney
- 35 Corrigenda reported in June 2023
- 36 CrossWire's KJV policy in places where the Blayney 1769 had errors?
- 37 Open Scriptures Hebrew Bible
Spelling issues in Blayney's 1769
Though modern editions of the KJV claim to be essentially the same as the 1769 standard, Blayney's work still contained some archaic spellings and some inconsistent spellings. Most of these were unified and corrected in works such as the Scofield Bible that was used as the Reference Text for the earlier editions of the KJV module. Though there is much to be gained by examining the Blayney's 1769, it would be a retrograde step to revert the KJV module to his spellings.
For further details please visit my user page: User:David Haslam/Benjamin Blayney's 1769 KJV.
David Haslam 10:37, 25 January 2016 (MST)
- I don't think it'd be a backward step. But if so, maybe we fork the KJV as what we have now is not the 1769 Blayney, but rather Old Scofield? There is considerable value in having an accurate text for the Blayney edition. --Dmsmith 11:11, 25 January 2016 (MST)
- Rather than forking the module (which would lead to a lot of extra work), I would prefer to use OSIS markup to record spelling (and punctuation) variants in the various printed editions 1769 to present. David Haslam 04:26, 27 January 2016 (MST)
- It's not as if we don't already have another related module which has become outdated compared to the KJV, namely the KJVA module with the Apocrypha included. The Protocanonical Books for that should ideally have been made to track the KJV module in terms of updates. David Haslam 04:29, 27 January 2016 (MST)
- Rather than forking the module (which would lead to a lot of extra work), I would prefer to use OSIS markup to record spelling (and punctuation) variants in the various printed editions 1769 to present. David Haslam 04:26, 27 January 2016 (MST)
catchWord and osisRef with @s[word]
Not sure why this got removed?
- Add osisRef to catchWord (for now at least, mainly for single keywords).
David Haslam 13:01, 29 January 2016 (MST)
- Reinstated for 2.10 – David Haslam 09:11, 30 January 2016 (MST)
List of ordinary words that are not found with all lowercase in the KJV main text
- This list may not be complete.
The following 41 ordinary words are not found with all lowercase letters: (i.e. these capitalised words are not names)
Accounting Acquaint Alleluia Associate Backbiters Blotting Choosing Distributing Endeavouring Enflaming Enviest Ephphatha Esteeming Finally God’s Godhead God-ward Hosanna I Launch Listen Maranatha MENE Musician O Outcast Owe PERES Produce Providing Rabbi Raca Remembering Revilest Submitting Talitha TEKEL Traitors UPHARSIN Wherewithal Yes
This list can be used for fine tuning the filtering of a complete words list in order to tabulate names that occur in the KJV text.
My big list now includes words that are in the canonical Psalm titles. David Haslam (talk) 14:39, 5 February 2017 (MST)
- MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN all appear in one verse, Daniel 5:25 and in the following three verses Daniel explains them; verse 28 leading with the root word PERES. So these five capitalized words are a special case. David Haslam (talk) 08:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
List of ordinary words that are also names
- This list may not be complete.
The following 44 ordinary words in the KJV are also names:[1][2][3][4]
Angel Apostle Bishop Branch Creator Death Devil Faithful Father Ghost God Governor Hell Holy High Judge King Lamb Light Lion Lord Lot Master No On One Priest Prince Prophet Put Rock Saviour Sceptre Seer Shepherd Sin Son Spirit Star Strength Sun True Word Wormwood
Notes:
- ↑ That is, they are found capitalised mid-sentence.
- ↑ Some of these are symbolic names for Christ.
- ↑ This list currently excludes uppercase words.
- ↑ Names in the KJV that are ordinary words outside the KJV will not be listed.
David Haslam (talk) 09:56, 11 February 2017 (MST)
List of words that contain the EN DASH (U+2013)
The following is a counted list of the 259 different words in the KJV containing the EN DASH character used as a hyphen:[1][2][3]
Count Word 00015 Abed–nego 00002 Abel–beth–maachah 00001 Abel–maim 00003 Abel–meholah 00001 Abel–mizraim 00001 Abel–shittim 00001 Abi–albon 00004 Abi–ezer 00001 Abi–ezrite 00002 Abi–ezrites 00003 Adoni–bezek 00002 Adoni–zedek 00004 Al–taschith 00001 Allon–bachuth 00002 Almon–diblathaim 00001 Aram–naharaim 00001 Aram–zobah 00003 Ashdoth–pisgah 00001 Ataroth–adar 00001 Ataroth–addar 00001 Aznoth–tabor 00002 Baal–berith 00003 Baal–gad 00001 Baal–hamon 00005 Baal–hanan 00001 Baal–hazor 00002 Baal–hermon 00003 Baal–meon 00006 Baal–peor 00004 Baal–perazim 00001 Baal–shalisha 00001 Baal–tamar 00004 Baal–zebub 00003 Baal–zephon 00001 Baalath–beer 00001 Bamoth–baal 00001 Bar–jesus 00001 Bar–jona 00001 Bashan–havoth–jair 00001 Bath–rabbim 00011 Bath–sheba 00001 Bath–shua 00001 Beer–elim 00001 Beer–lahai–roi 00034 Beer–sheba 00001 Beesh–terah 00001 Ben–ammi 00027 Ben–hadad 00001 Ben–hail 00001 Ben–hanan 00001 Ben–oni 00001 Ben–zoheth 00001 Bene–berak 00002 Bene–jaakan 00001 Berodach–baladan 00003 Beth–anath 00001 Beth–anoth 00003 Beth–arabah 00001 Beth–aram 00001 Beth–arbel 00007 Beth–aven 00001 Beth–azmaveth 00001 Beth–baal–meon 00002 Beth–barah 00001 Beth–birei 00001 Beth–car 00002 Beth–dagon 00001 Beth–diblathaim 00066 Beth–el 00001 Beth–elite 00001 Beth–emek 00001 Beth–ezel 00001 Beth–gader 00001 Beth–gamul 00002 Beth–haccerem 00001 Beth–haran 00001 Beth–hogla 00002 Beth–hoglah 00014 Beth–horon 00003 Beth–jeshimoth 00001 Beth–jesimoth 00001 Beth–lebaoth 00031 Beth–lehem 00010 Beth–lehem–judah 00004 Beth–lehemite 00002 Beth–maachah 00002 Beth–marcaboth 00001 Beth–meon 00002 Beth–nimrah 00001 Beth–palet 00001 Beth–pazzez 00004 Beth–peor 00001 Beth–phelet 00001 Beth–rapha 00002 Beth–rehob 00003 Beth–shan 00006 Beth–shean 00021 Beth–shemesh 00002 Beth–shemite 00001 Beth–shittah 00001 Beth–tappuah 00004 Beth–zur 00001 Caleb–ephratah 00001 Chephar–haammonai 00001 Chisloth–tabor 00001 Chor–ashan 00004 Chushan–rishathaim 00002 Col–hozeh 00001 Dan–jaan 00002 Dibon–gad 00006 Ebed–melech 00003 Eben–ezer 00001 El–beth–el 00001 El–elohe–Israel 00001 El–paran 00001 Elon–beth–hanan 00001 En–eglaim 00003 En–gannim 00006 En–gedi 00001 En–haddah 00001 En–hakkore 00001 En–hazor 00001 En–mishpat 00001 En–rimmon 00004 En–rogel 00002 En–shemesh 00001 En–tappuah 00001 Ephes–dammim 00003 Esar–haddon 00002 Esh–baal 00002 Evil–merodach 00003 Ezion–gaber 00004 Ezion–geber 00001 Gath–hepher 00004 Gath–rimmon 00001 Gittah–hepher 00001 Gur–baal 00001 Hamath–zobah 00001 Hammoth–dor 00002 Hamon–gog 00002 Havoth–jair 00001 Hazar–addar 00004 Hazar–enan 00001 Hazar–gaddah 00001 Hazar–hatticon 00004 Hazar–shual 00001 Hazar–susah 00001 Hazar–susim 00001 Hazazon–tamar 00001 Hazezon–tamar 00001 Helkath–hazzurim 00002 Hephzi–bah 00002 Hor–hagidgad 00001 I–chabod 00001 I–chabod’s 00002 Ije–abarim 00001 Ir–nahash 00001 Ir–shemesh 00012 Ish–bosheth 00002 Ish–tob 00001 Ishbi–benob 00001 Ittah–kazin 00001 Jaare–oregim 00012 Jabesh–gilead 00001 Jashubi–lehem 00001 Jegar–sahadutha 00001 Jehovah–jireh 00001 Jehovah–nissi 00001 Jehovah–shalom 00002 Jiphthah–el 00001 Jonath–elem–rechokim 00001 Jushab–hesed 00010 Kadesh–barnea 00001 Kedesh–naphtali 00001 Keren–happuch 00005 Kibroth–hattaavah 00001 Kir–haraseth 00001 Kir–hareseth 00001 Kir–haresh 00002 Kir–heres 00006 Kirjath–arba 00001 Kirjath–arim 00002 Kirjath–baal 00001 Kirjath–huzoth 00018 Kirjath–jearim 00001 Kirjath–sannah 00004 Kirjath–sepher 00002 Lahai–roi 00001 Lo–ammi 00003 Lo–debar 00002 Lo–ruhamah 00001 Maaleh–acrabbim 00001 Magor–missabib 00001 Mahaneh–dan 00002 Maher–shalal–hash–baz 00004 Malchi–shua 00001 Me–jarkon 00001 Melchi–shua 00004 Merib–baal 00001 Meribah–Kadesh 00001 Merodach–baladan 00001 Metheg–ammah 00001 Migdal–el 00001 Migdal–gad 00002 Misrephoth–maim 00001 Moresheth–gath 00001 Nathan–melech 00015 Nebuzar–adan 00003 Nergal–sharezer 00020 Obed–edom 00010 Padan–aram 00006 Pahath–moab 00001 Pas–dammim 00001 Perez–uzza 00001 Perez–uzzah 00001 Pharaoh–hophra 00001 Pharaoh–necho 00004 Pharaoh–nechoh 00001 Pi–beseth 00004 Pi–hahiroth 00003 Poti–pherah 00002 Rab–mag 00002 Rab–saris 00008 Rab–shakeh 00001 Ramath–lehi 00001 Ramath–mizpeh 00001 Ramathaim–zophim 00019 Ramoth–gilead 00001 Regem–melech 00001 Remmon–methoar 00002 Rimmon–parez 00002 Romamti–ezer 00001 Ru–hamah 00001 Samgar–nebo 00001 Sela–hammahlekoth 00001 Shear–jashub 00004 Shethar–boznai 00001 Shihor–libnath 00001 Shimron–meron 00001 Shoshannim–eduth 00001 Shushan–eduth 00001 Succoth–benoth 00001 Syria–damascus 00001 Syria–maachah 00001 Taanath–shiloh 00001 Tahtim–hodshi 00001 Tel–abib 00001 Tel–haresha 00001 Tel–harsa 00002 Tel–melah 00003 Tiglath–pileser 00003 Tilgath–pilneser 00001 Timnath–heres 00002 Timnath–serah 00001 Tob–adonijah 00002 Tubal–cain 00001 Uzzen–sherah 00001 Zaphnath–paaneah 00001 Zareth–shahar
Note:
- ↑ This list includes such words as found in the canonical Psalm titles.
- ↑ A few of these words may also appear elsewhere in the Bible without the EN DASH.
- ↑ The name Shoshannim–eduth in the title for Psalm 80 is actually Shoshannim–Eduth in the Blayney edition.
Similar names in the KJV study notes
Here's a counted list of the 88 such names:
Count Name 00001 Abel–mizraim 00001 Abel–shittim 00001 Abi–albon 00004 Al–taschith 00001 Allon–bachuth 00001 Aram–naharaim 00003 Ashdoth–pisgah 00002 Baal–meon 00002 Baal–perazim 00001 Baalath–beer 00001 Bamoth–baal 00002 Bath–sheba 00001 Bath–shua 00001 Bath–shuah 00001 Beer–lahai–roi 00002 Beer–sheba 00001 Ben–abinadab 00001 Ben–dekar 00001 Ben–geber 00001 Ben–hesed 00001 Ben–hur 00001 Ben–oni 00001 Berodach–baladan 00002 Beth–azmaveth 00001 Beth–eden 00003 Beth–el 00001 Beth–ezel 00002 Beth–nimrah 00001 Beth–shemesh 00001 Eben–ezer 00001 El–beth–el 00001 El–elohe–Israel 00001 El–paran 00001 En–hakkore 00001 En–rogel 00002 Ephes–dammim 00002 Esh–baal 00001 Gibeah–haaraloth 00001 Hamon–gog 00001 Hatsi–ham–menuchoth 00001 Havoth–jair 00001 Hazar–hatticon 00001 Hazar–susah 00001 Hazar–susim 00001 Helkath–hazzurim 00001 Hephzi–bah 00002 Ije–abarim 00001 Ir–nahash 00002 Ish–bosheth 00001 Ish–tob 00002 Jaare–oregim 00001 Jegar–sahadutha 00001 Jehovah–jireh 00001 Jehovah–nissi 00001 Jehovah–shalom 00001 Jehovah–shammah 00002 Jehovah–tsidkenu 00002 Kibroth–hattaavah 00001 Kir–haraseth 00002 Kirjath–arba 00001 Kirjath–arim 00001 Kirjath–huzoth 00002 Kirjath–jearim 00002 Maaleh–acrabbim 00001 Magor–missabib 00001 Mahaneh–dan 00001 Maher–shalal–hash–baz 00003 Merib–baal 00001 Meribah–kadesh 00001 Meribah–Kadesh 00001 Merodach–baladan 00001 Metheg–ammah 00001 Misrephoth–maim 00001 Moresheth–gath 00001 Obed–edom 00001 Perez–uzza 00001 Perez–uzzah 00001 Pi–beseth 00001 Ramath–lehi 00001 Ru–hamah 00001 Sela–hammahlekoth 00001 Shear–jashub 00001 Tahtim–hodshi 00001 Tiglath–pileser 00001 Tilgath–pilneser 00001 Timnath–heres 00001 Timnath–serah 00001 Zaphnath–paaneah
List of words containing a hyphen
The following is a counted list of the only 5 words in the KJV containing an ordinary hyphen:
Count Word 00003 God-ward 00001 joint-heirs 00001 thee-ward 00003 us-ward 00003 you-ward
Hitchcock's Bible Names Dictionary
Of the 3609 words in the KJV that are proper names, only 2392 have entries in Hitchcock (two thirds of the total). David Haslam (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2017 (MST)
Eleven verses detected with a comma missing
Detailed analysis of the pattern Name Name has detected the following 11 verses that have a comma missing between the two names:
Location Name Name II Chronicles 16:1 Asa Baasha II Kings 12:1 Jehu Jehoash II Kings 13:1 Judah Jehoahaz II Kings 14:23 Judah Jeroboam II Kings 15:27 Judah Pekah II Kings 15:23 Judah Pekahiah Daniel 2:1 Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar Jeremiah 52:30 Nebuchadrezzar Nebuzar–adan Numbers 13:16 Nun Jehoshua II Chronicles 12:2 Rehoboam Shishak II Kings 16:1 Remaliah Ahaz
David Haslam (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2017 (MST)
- These don't have a comma in Blayney. --Dmsmith (talk) 12:54, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- Nor in Old Scofield. --Dmsmith (talk) 16:16, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- To illustrate in more detail, here's one of these verses: (the others are similar)
- Daniel 2:1: And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, wherewith his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him.
- The KJV departed here from best practice English punctuation. Many more recent printings have the comma inserted. David Haslam (talk) 09:53, 26 February 2017 (MST)
List of uppercase words in the KJV
This is a list of 40 uppercase words found in the KJV text:
ABOMINATIONS AM AND BABYLON BRANCH EARTH GOD GREAT HARLOTS HOLINESS I IS JAH JEHOVAH JESUS JEWS KING KINGS LORD LORD’S LORDS MENE MOTHER MYSTERY NAZARETH O OF OUR PERES RIGHTEOUSNESS TEKEL THAT THE THIS THY TO UNKNOWN UNTO UPHARSIN
Some of these are parts of multiword names. David Haslam (talk) 09:59, 11 February 2017 (MST)
Multi-word names in the KJV
There are several patterns that match multi-word names in which the two main words are capitalized:
- Name Name
- Name of Name
- Name of the Name
- Name the Name
- Name in Name
- Name at Name
There are also some three word names, such as:
- Lord Jesus Christ
Yet there are also names in which the major part of the name is not capitalized:
- Isaiah 35:8: And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.
- Jeremiah 16:21: Therefore, behold, I will this once cause them to know, I will cause them to know mine hand and my might; and they shall know that my name is The LORD.
- Jeremiah 19:6: Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that this place shall no more be called Tophet, nor The valley of the son of Hinnom, but The valley of slaughter.
- Lamentations 2:15: All that pass by clap their hands at thee; they hiss and wag their head at the daughter of Jerusalem, saying, Is this the city that men call The perfection of beauty, The joy of the whole earth?
- Ezekiel 39:11: And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamon–gog.
- Amos 5:27: Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts.
- Zechariah 6:12: And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
- Acts 27:8: And, hardly passing it, came unto a place which is called The fair havens; nigh whereunto was the city of Lasea.
- Acts 28:15: And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.
- Revelation of John 19:13: And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
David Haslam (talk) 06:56, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Jer 16:21 should be Lord, not LORD. --Dmsmith (talk) 13:01, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- Agreed. I didn't then know how to do small-caps in the wiki. David Haslam (talk) 10:28, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
- The way that's done in wiki is by using
<font style="font-variant:small-caps">Lord</font>
- David Haslam (talk) 08:28, 21 June 2023 (UTC) - Curiously enough, within in-line wiki style
<code>...</code>the font style still gets applied! And I even had to insert a ZWNJ to display that correctly. David Haslam (talk) 08:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Two suspect apostrophes in the apocrypha
A search of the DC books for the regexp [^s]\x{2019}\s gave two matches:
- Sirach 8:1: Strive not with a mighty man’ lest thou fall into his hands.
- II Maccabees 7:39: Than the king’ being in a rage, handed him worse than all the rest, and took it grievously that he was mocked.
Most online versions are the same. Both items look suspicious. They don't meet any grammatical rule involving possessives. Further research required. David Haslam (talk) 13:15, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- I also think the first word in 2Macc.7.39 ought to be "Then" and not "Than". David Haslam (talk) 13:22, 14 February 2017 (MST)
Both verses would appear more correct if the right single quotation mark was replaced with a comma:
- Sirach 8:1: Strive not with a mighty man, lest thou fall into his hands.
- II Maccabees 7:39: Then the king, being in a rage, handed him worse than all the rest, and took it grievously that he was mocked.
cf. There are 80 matches in the DC books to the pattern ", being ". David Haslam (talk) 13:28, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Decided to make these changes. David Haslam (talk) 01:16, 15 February 2017 (MST)
Hyphenated words in the KJV Apocrypha
There are only three hyphenated words in the deuterocanonical books, all place names:
Beth-horon Cades-Barne En-gaddi
But are there any other names in the DC books that ought to be hyphenated?
Phaath Moab Pahath Moab
The spelling difference between 1Esd.5.11 and 1Esd.8.31 also needs to be checked.
cf. Pahath–moab occurs six times in the KJV. This is the only hyphenated name in the KJV that occurs with a space in place of the hyphen in the DC books. Note the case difference too. David Haslam (talk) 09:07, 19 February 2017 (MST)
Spelling: ax or axe ?
Another hapax legomenon to consider:
Baruch 6:15: He hath also in his right hand a dagger and an ax: but cannot deliver himself from war and thieves.
Should this be axe as some online versions have it? cf. The KJV has 13 instances of 'axe' and none of 'ax' other than this in the DC book. David Haslam (talk) 15:20, 14 February 2017 (MST)
- Decided to make this change. David Haslam (talk) 01:15, 15 February 2017 (MST)
- Blayney has ax. --Dmsmith (talk) 13:07, 25 February 2017 (MST)
- This change is to be reverted, and the 13 instances of the Cambridge spelling 'axe' are to changed to the Oxford spelling 'ax'. David Haslam (talk) 14:14, 16 March 2017 (MDT)
Bipolar names in the DC books
Here is a counted list of the bipolar names (aka polynym) found in the KJV DC books:
00002 Antiochus Epiphanes 00002 Antiochus Eupator 00001 Judas John’s 00007 Judas Maccabeus 00001 Judith Holofernes 00001 Jupiter Olympius 00001 Massias Israel 00001 Pahath Moab 00001 Phaath Moab 00002 Ptolemeus Philometor 00001 Quintus Memmius 00001 Simon Chosameus 00001 Titus Manlius
I have excluded the pattern "Persians Belemus" found in 1Esd.2.16 which is really two names.
I have also excluded three locations where a punctuation mark was missing. David Haslam (talk) 10:07, 19 February 2017 (MST)
Replace list for Oxford Text Archive book names
This list of book names suffices to replace those in the file KJV.1060 downloaded from the OTA with proper OSIS Book Abbreviations:
Pss Ps Qoh Eccl Cant Song 1Esdr 1Esd 4Ezra 2Esd AddDan PrAzar 1Mac 1Macc 2Mac 2Macc 1Thes 1Thess 2Thes 2Thess Tit Titus
In addition to the above, in order to match Versification=KJVA:
- AddEsth must be reversified to start at 10.4
- The note in SirP must move into Sir and the book SirP removed
- EpJer must be reversified as Bar.6
The other books already had the correct book abbreviation. David Haslam (talk) 04:28, 12 March 2017 (MDT)
Oxford Text Archive - misled by the Complete Bible Genealogy site claims
I have removed this from the External Links section:
- Bible. English. Authorized – at the Oxford Text Archive[1][2]
Note:
- ↑ according to Complete Bible Genealogy, this is actually the text for the Oxford 1769 Blayney edition, albeit the description has "Exact edition not recorded." It's the complete text for 82 books including the Apocrypha. The text format is TEI Lite. The text is without cross-refs or notes, apart from 6 explanatory notes for some DC books. It omits the canonical Psalm titles. It also omits the non-canonical colophons to the Epistles. David has converted the source text to OSIS XML.
- ↑ A comparison of the text with that of our KJV & KJVA modules has led me to the conclusion that the KJV.1060 download is NOT that of the Blayney Oxford Edition. It has too many differences and typos to be a reliable independent source. Based on its spelling inquire rather than enquire, it's actually derived from a Cambridge University Press edition. Even so, there are serious spelling errors among the typos.
David Haslam (talk) 08:54, 14 March 2017 (MDT)
Cambridge spellings in our Oxford based module
I've been comparing in detail the differences between the Cambridge and Oxford editions of the KJV, using a number of sources. My work confirms that we need to correct a small number of minor textual discrepancies in the SWORD module. There's a residue of Cambridge spellings in our KJV module. David Haslam (talk) 03:18, 15 March 2017 (MDT)
Textual emendations and module variants?
The new focus on the observed differences between Cambridge spellings and Oxford spellings has brought fresh impetus to the possibility of using OSIS variants in the KJV & KJVA modules. This topic is added as a placeholder for further discussion on this. My initial proposal is:
- Variant 1 = Oxford 1769 Standard Edition of Benjamin Blayney
- Variant 2 = Old Scofield Edition
- Variant 3 = Cambridge Edition (yet to choose the suitable reference text)
David Haslam (talk) 14:10, 16 March 2017 (MDT)
- For implementation details, see https://crosswire.org/wiki/OSIS_Bibles#Marking_variants
- David Haslam (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- For a related discussion in sword-devel during February 2014, see OSIS Variants - do we need a delimiter?
- David Haslam (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- Currently, "SWORD does not support more than two variants". Is this still true? David Haslam (talk) 09:47, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- cf. The Greek NT module [TischMorph] already uses GlobalOptionFilter=ThMLVariants
- David Haslam (talk) 09:48, 19 March 2017 (MDT)
- See the proposal for enhancements to OSIS 211 CR#OSIS_variants. David Haslam (talk) 02:00, 22 March 2017 (MDT)
The possessive form of the divine name
The correct method (which is what we use) is to have<divineName>Lord’s</divineName> and not <divineName>Lord</divineName>’s.
See Rendering the divine name with small caps for details. Our wiki doesn't have the small caps template.
The first instance is in Exodus 9:29. Even so, with the typography of the Blayney edition, the sizes of the lowercase letter 's' and the small caps letter 's' are identical, so this is actually a difficult choice to make. The problem is that in modern digital fonts, the size of small caps letters are intermediate in height between lowercase letters and uppercase letters. I think it's for this reason that we see differences between modern KJV printed editions in this matter. Semantically, it makes more sense for the whole of the possessive form to be within the same markup element, rather than for the apostrophe and letter 's' to be outside the element.
David Haslam (talk) 04:36, 18 March 2017 (MDT)
- Aside: The KJVPCE module has the apostrophe and letter s outside the OSIS markup in 108 places:
<divineName>Lord</divineName>’s. This was not best practice. David Haslam (talk) 04:34, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
Unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear with the en dash
Excluding names found in the notes, these are the only unhyphenated names in the main text that also appear elsewhere in the main text containing the en dash:
00003 Abiezer 00008 Bethlehem 00001 Rabsaris 00008 Rabshakeh
The corresponding counts for those with the en dash are:
00004 Abi–ezer 00031 Beth–lehem 00002 Rab–saris 00008 Rab–shakeh
This is a strange inconsistency! Maybe it's there in the Blayney 1769 Oxford Edtion.
David Haslam (talk) 04:03, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
An observation about 'hyphenated' names in the OT
All the names that contain an en dash in the KJV module are without such 'hyphenation' in the "Pure Cambridge Edition" module KJVPCE. Currently this is also the case for the KJV Oxford 1769 text on Wikisource, though that can be systematically edited. David Haslam (talk) 04:27, 23 March 2017 (MDT)
- The KJVPCE module was probably built using the file "TEXT-PCE.txt" (dated 2010-06-28) downloaded from the website specified in the TextSource.
- The Rich Text File "KJB-PCE-RTF.rtf" (dated 2009-02-19) from the same website does contain hyphens. This would be a better starting point for any module update. David Haslam (talk) 14:21, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Trinitarian Bible Society
FIO. The reference text used by TBS for their own settings of the AV is the Concord Reference Bible published by Cambridge University Press, "widely regarded as being the standard text of the KJV". "Never use the CUP Ruby Bible KJV text to check anything – it is error strewn." (Philip Hopkins, personal email to David Haslam (talk) dated 2014-02-17). David Haslam (talk) 07:33, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
- "CUP’s collection of Bibles has been built up over decades with different editions of the Bible being acquired from different publishers such as Eyre and Spottiswoode and others that have been bought out by CUP over the years. There is no synergy between the different editions, sadly, and all have a different stream of editors and proofreaders that have worked on them giving rise to minor variances in the text of nearly every edition." (Similar email dated 2014-02-18). David Haslam (talk) 07:39, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
The five book divisions in Psalms
"The Psalm book divisions aren’t thought to be original, but rather a Masoretic inclusion, although they probably were in Jewish tradition before the time of Christ – I believe there’s at least one Qumran manuscript that indicates the divisions. The Leningrad Codex (MT dated AD 1008) doesn’t include them, and our copy of Bomberg (1566) has them only as small insertions akin to the traditional reading marks in the Torah. Ginsburg’s MT, which we print, has them more clearly delineated, but why he doesn’t say. He says of his edition, ‘The Psalms have no Sections [i.e. traditional reading divisions], as each Psalm constitutes a continuous and undivided whole’ (Introduction to the Massoretico-Critical Edition of the Hebrew Bible [London: TBS, 1897], p. 17).
The book divisions seem to mark theme breaks in the Psalms (particularly the first three books) and may well have been used as liturgical groupings. Problems arise as to where the actual breaks should come, particularly with books 4 and 5, as they’re not consistent in mss that contain them.
Should we include them? We include a lot of other ‘extra-biblical’ material, such as chapter and verse breaks. But as the book breaks are normally classified as superscripts along the lines of those we now omit from the New Testament epistles, probably not. However, I think our lack of these divisions is more a matter of tradition than evidence: they don’t appear in the 1611, or in CUP or Oxford editions of the AV."
(Dr Debra Anderson, senior editor at TBS) (In an email from PH dated 2014-02-20). David Haslam (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
Pronunciation help for KJV proper names
Mike E Adams has developed a resource called BibleVox described as "English language Bible Text-To-Speech pronunciation lexicon and development/demonstration tools for the CMU Festival speech engine." David Haslam (talk) 07:54, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
Textual discrepancies in KJV study notes
This section is to record observed differences between the wording in the KJV module study notes and the wording of the note in the Blayney 1769 reference text (ignoring for this purpose that these notes in the module also have a catchWord element and corresponding text). David Haslam (talk) 10:39, 5 August 2017 (MDT)
- Ps.119.24 "Heb. men of my counsel" should be "Heb. men of counsel"
- Ps.119.42 "... reproveth ..." should be "... reproacheth ..."
Names that have more than one type attribute
A fair number of proper names in the KJV have (in effect) more than one type attribute. e.g. The same word can be found as type="person" and elsewhere as type="geographic". Even the word Adam occurs in one verse as a place name.
- (Joshua 3:16) That the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.
Assigning the type attribute to the name element for such words would require a detailed appreciation of the context. It's not amenable to scripting. David Haslam (talk) 05:17, 7 August 2017 (MDT)
Corrigendum for KJV - received in sword-devel 2017-12-17
Email from vtamara:
I'm using the latest http://crosswire.org/ftpmirror/pub/sword/packages/rawzip/KJV.zip
In Luke 16:9 it says:
<w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G4633 lemma.TR:τας lemma.TR:σκηνας" morph="robinson:T-APF robinson:N-APF" src="18 20">habitations</w>.
However the word τας shown and that also appears (as τὰς) at https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/luk/16/9/t_concf_989009 corresponds to the strong number 3588 (instead of 3688).
--David Haslam (talk) 15:57, 17 December 2017 (MST)
divineName markup in the binomial "Lord God" ?
The KJV is strangely inconsistent in how the binomial name "Lord God" is styled in its typography. There are three different forms:
Count Text ----- -------- 00014 Lord God 00302 Lord GOD 00229 LORD God
NB. UPPERCASE is used to depict the style "small-caps" here.
It would be of scholarly interest to understand why there are these differences.
-- David Haslam (talk) 16:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Cardinal numbers with older forms
There are 131 matches to the regexp \w+score in the KJV. Here are the highlighted results.
- Genesis 16:16: And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
- Genesis 25:7: And these are the days of the years of Abraham’s life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years.
- Genesis 25:26: And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
- Genesis 35:28: And the days of Isaac were an hundred and fourscore years.
- Genesis 46:26: All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob’s sons’ wives, all the souls were threescore and six;
- Genesis 46:27: And the sons of Joseph, which were born him in Egypt, were two souls: all the souls of the house of Jacob, which came into Egypt, were threescore and ten.
- Genesis 50:3: And forty days were fulfilled for him; for so are fulfilled the days of those which are embalmed: and the Egyptians mourned for him threescore and ten days.
- Exodus 7:7: And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.
- Exodus 7:7: And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.
- And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters.
- Exodus 38:25: And the silver of them that were numbered of the congregation was an hundred talents, and a thousand seven hundred and threescore and fifteen shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary:
- Leviticus 12:5: But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.
- Numbers 1:27: Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Judah, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred.
- Numbers 1:39: Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Dan, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
- Numbers 2:4: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and fourteen thousand and six hundred.
- Numbers 2:9: All that were numbered in the camp of Judah were an hundred thousand and fourscore thousand and six thousand and four hundred, throughout their armies. These shall first set forth.
- Numbers 2:26: And his host, and those that were numbered of them, were threescore and two thousand and seven hundred.
- Numbers 3:43: And all the firstborn males by the number of names, from a month old and upward, of those that were numbered of them, were twenty and two thousand two hundred and threescore and thirteen.
- Numbers 3:46: And for those that are to be redeemed of the two hundred and threescore and thirteen of the firstborn of the children of Israel, which are more than the Levites;
- Numbers 3:50: Of the firstborn of the children of Israel took he the money; a thousand three hundred and threescore and five shekels, after the shekel of the sanctuary:
- Numbers 4:48: Even those that were numbered of them, were eight thousand and five hundred and fourscore.
- Numbers 26:22: These are the families of Judah according to those that were numbered of them, threescore and sixteen thousand and five hundred.
- Numbers 26:25: These are the families of Issachar according to those that were numbered of them, threescore and four thousand and three hundred.
- Numbers 26:27: These are the families of the Zebulunites according to those that were numbered of them, threescore thousand and five hundred.
- Numbers 26:43: All the families of the Shuhamites, according to those that were numbered of them, were threescore and four thousand and four hundred.
- Numbers 31:33: And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
- Numbers 31:34: And threescore and one thousand asses,
- Numbers 31:37: And the LORD’S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
- Numbers 31:38: And the beeves were thirty and six thousand; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and twelve.
- Numbers 31:39: And the asses were thirty thousand and five hundred; of which the LORD’S tribute was threescore and one.
- Numbers 33:9: And they removed from Marah, and came unto Elim: and in Elim were twelve fountains of water, and threescore and ten palm trees; and they pitched there.
- Deuteronomy 3:4: And we took all his cities at that time, there was not a city which we took not from them, threescore cities, all the region of Argob, the kingdom of Og in Bashan.
- Deuteronomy 10:22: Thy fathers went down into Egypt with threescore and ten persons; and now the LORD thy God hath made thee as the stars of heaven for multitude.
- Joshua 13:30: And their coast was from Mahanaim, all Bashan, all the kingdom of Og king of Bashan, and all the towns of Jair, which are in Bashan, threescore cities:
- Joshua 14:10: And now, behold, the LORD hath kept me alive, as he said, these forty and five years, even since the LORD spake this word unto Moses, while the children of Israel wandered in the wilderness: and now, lo, I am this day fourscore and five years old.
- Judges 1:7: And Adoni–bezek said, Threescore and ten kings, having their thumbs and their great toes cut off, gathered their meat under my table: as I have done, so God hath requited me. And they brought him to Jerusalem, and there he died.
- Judges 3:30: So Moab was subdued that day under the hand of Israel. And the land had rest fourscore years.
- Judges 8:14: And caught a young man of the men of Succoth, and enquired of him: and he described unto him the princes of Succoth, and the elders thereof, even threescore and seventeen men.
- Judges 8:30: And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.
- Judges 9:2: Speak, I pray you, in the ears of all the men of Shechem, Whether is better for you, either that all the sons of Jerubbaal, which are threescore and ten persons, reign over you, or that one reign over you? remember also that I am your bone and your flesh.
- Judges 9:4: And they gave him threescore and ten pieces of silver out of the house of Baal–berith, wherewith Abimelech hired vain and light persons, which followed him.
- Judges 9:5: And he went unto his father’s house at Ophrah, and slew his brethren the sons of Jerubbaal, being threescore and ten persons, upon one stone: notwithstanding yet Jotham the youngest son of Jerubbaal was left; for he hid himself.
- Judges 9:18: And ye are risen up against my father’s house this day, and have slain his sons, threescore and ten persons, upon one stone, and have made Abimelech, the son of his maidservant, king over the men of Shechem, because he is your brother;)
- Judges 9:24: That the cruelty done to the threescore and ten sons of Jerubbaal might come, and their blood be laid upon Abimelech their brother, which slew them; and upon the men of Shechem, which aided him in the killing of his brethren.
- Judges 12:14: And he had forty sons and thirty nephews, that rode on threescore and ten ass colts: and he judged Israel eight years.
- And he smote the men of Beth–shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
- I Samuel 22:18: And the king said to Doeg, Turn thou, and fall upon the priests. And Doeg the Edomite turned, and he fell upon the priests, and slew on that day fourscore and five persons that did wear a linen ephod.
- II Samuel 2:31: But the servants of David had smitten of Benjamin, and of Abner’s men, so that three hundred and threescore men died.
- II Samuel 19:32: Now Barzillai was a very aged man, even fourscore years old: and he had provided the king of sustenance while he lay at Mahanaim; for he was a very great man.
- II Samuel 19:35: I am this day fourscore years old: and can I discern between good and evil? can thy servant taste what I eat or what I drink? can I hear any more the voice of singing men and singing women? wherefore then should thy servant be yet a burden unto my lord the king?
- I Kings 4:13: The son of Geber, in Ramoth–gilead; to him pertained the towns of Jair the son of Manasseh, which are in Gilead; to him also pertained the region of Argob, which is in Bashan, threescore great cities with walls and brasen bars:
- And Solomon’s provision for one day was thirty measures of fine flour, and threescore measures of meal,
- I Kings 5:15: And Solomon had threescore and ten thousand that bare burdens, and fourscore thousand hewers in the mountains;
- I Kings 5:15: And Solomon had threescore and ten thousand that bare burdens, and fourscore thousand hewers in the mountains;
- I Kings 6:2: And the house which king Solomon built for the LORD, the length thereof was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof twenty cubits, and the height thereof thirty cubits.
- I Kings 9:14: And Hiram sent to the king sixscore talents of gold.
- Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,
- And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he assembled all the house of Judah, with the tribe of Benjamin, an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against the house of Israel, to bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam the son of Solomon.
- II Kings 6:25: And there was a great famine in Samaria: and, behold, they besieged it, until an ass’s head was sold for fourscore pieces of silver, and the fourth part of a cab of dove’s dung for five pieces of silver.
- II Kings 10:24: And when they went in to offer sacrifices and burnt offerings, Jehu appointed fourscore men without, and said, If any of the men whom I have brought into your hands escape, he that letteth him go, his life shall be for the life of him.
- And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
- II Kings 25:19: And out of the city he took an officer that was set over the men of war, and five men of them that were in the king’s presence, which were found in the city, and the principal scribe of the host, which mustered the people of the land, and threescore men of the people of the land that were found in the city:
- And afterward Hezron went in to the daughter of Machir the father of Gilead, whom he married when he was threescore years old; and she bare him Segub.
- I Chronicles 2:23: And he took Geshur, and Aram, with the towns of Jair, from them, with Kenath, and the towns thereof, even threescore cities. All these belonged to the sons of Machir the father of Gilead.
- The sons of Reuben, and the Gadites, and half the tribe of Manasseh, of valiant men, men able to bear buckler and sword, and to shoot with bow, and skilful in war, were four and forty thousand seven hundred and threescore, that went out to the war.
- I Chronicles 7:5: And their brethren among all the families of Issachar were valiant men of might, reckoned in all by their genealogies fourscore and seven thousand.
- I Chronicles 9:13: And their brethren, heads of the house of their fathers, a thousand and seven hundred and threescore; very able men for the work of the service of the house of God.
- I Chronicles 15:9: Of the sons of Hebron; Eliel the chief, and his brethren fourscore:
- I Chronicles 16:38: And Obed–edom with their brethren, threescore and eight; Obed–edom also the son of Jeduthun and Hosah to be porters:
- And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword.
- I Chronicles 25:7: So the number of them, with their brethren that were instructed in the songs of the LORD, even all that were cunning, was two hundred fourscore and eight.
- I Chronicles 26:8: All these of the sons of Obed–edom: they and their sons and their brethren, able men for strength for the service, were threescore and two of Obed–edom.
- II Chronicles 2:2: And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
- II Chronicles 2:2: And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
- II Chronicles 2:18: And he set threescore and ten thousand of them to be bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand to be hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work.
- II Chronicles 2:18: And he set threescore and ten thousand of them to be bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand to be hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work.
- Now these are the things wherein Solomon was instructed for the building of the house of God. The length by cubits after the first measure was threescore cubits, and the breadth twenty cubits.
- Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;
- II Chronicles 11:1: And when Rehoboam was come to Jerusalem, he gathered of the house of Judah and Benjamin an hundred and fourscore thousand chosen men, which were warriors, to fight against Israel, that he might bring the kingdom again to Rehoboam.
- II Chronicles 11:21: And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)
- II Chronicles 11:21: And Rehoboam loved Maachah the daughter of Absalom above all his wives and his concubines: (for he took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines; and begat twenty and eight sons, and threescore daughters.)
- II Chronicles 12:3: With twelve hundred chariots, and threescore thousand horsemen: and the people were without number that came with him out of Egypt; the Lubims, the Sukkiims, and the Ethiopians.
- II Chronicles 14:8: And Asa had an army of men that bare targets and spears, out of Judah three hundred thousand; and out of Benjamin, that bare shields and drew bows, two hundred and fourscore thousand: all these were mighty men of valour.
- II Chronicles 17:15: And next to him was Jehohanan the captain, and with him two hundred and fourscore thousand.
- II Chronicles 17:18: And next him was Jehozabad, and with him an hundred and fourscore thousand ready prepared for the war.
- II Chronicles 26:17: And Azariah the priest went in after him, and with him fourscore priests of the LORD, that were valiant men:
- II Chronicles 29:32: And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought, was threescore and ten bullocks, an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs: all these were for a burnt offering to the LORD.
- II Chronicles 36:21: To fulfil the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths: for as long as she lay desolate she kept sabbath, to fulfil threescore and ten years.
- Ezra 2:9: The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and threescore.
- The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore,
- Ezra 2:69: They gave after their ability unto the treasure of the work threescore and one thousand drams of gold, and five thousand pound of silver, and one hundred priests’ garments.
- Ezra 6:3: In the first year of Cyrus the king the same Cyrus the king made a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and let the foundations thereof be strongly laid; the height thereof threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof threescore cubits;
- Ezra 6:3: In the first year of Cyrus the king the same Cyrus the king made a decree concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and let the foundations thereof be strongly laid; the height thereof threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof threescore cubits;
- Ezra 8:8: And of the sons of Shephatiah; Zebadiah the son of Michael, and with him fourscore males.
- Ezra 8:10: And of the sons of Shelomith; the son of Josiphiah, and with him an hundred and threescore males.
- Ezra 8:13: And of the last sons of Adonikam, whose names are these, Eliphelet, Jeiel, and Shemaiah, and with them threescore males.
- Nehemiah 7:14: The children of Zaccai, seven hundred and threescore.
- Nehemiah 7:18: The children of Adonikam, six hundred threescore and seven.
- Nehemiah 7:19: The children of Bigvai, two thousand threescore and seven.
- Nehemiah 7:26: The men of Beth–lehem and Netophah, an hundred fourscore and eight.
- The whole congregation together was forty and two thousand three hundred and threescore,
- Nehemiah 7:72: And that which the rest of the people gave was twenty thousand drams of gold, and two thousand pound of silver, and threescore and seven priests’ garments.
- Nehemiah 11:6: All the sons of Perez that dwelt at Jerusalem were four hundred threescore and eight valiant men.
- Nehemiah 11:18: All the Levites in the holy city were two hundred fourscore and four.
- Esther 1:4: When he shewed the riches of his glorious kingdom and the honour of his excellent majesty many days, even an hundred and fourscore days.
- Psalms 90:10: The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
- Psalms 90:10: The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.
- Song of Solomon 3:7: Behold his bed, which is Solomon’s; threescore valiant men are about it, of the valiant of Israel.
- Song of Solomon 6:8: There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
- Song of Solomon 6:8: There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.
- Isaiah 7:8: For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.
- Isaiah 37:36: Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
- Jeremiah 41:5: That there came certain from Shechem, from Shiloh, and from Samaria, even fourscore men, having their beards shaven, and their clothes rent, and having cut themselves, with offerings and incense in their hand, to bring them to the house of the LORD.
- Jeremiah 52:25: He took also out of the city an eunuch, which had the charge of the men of war; and seven men of them that were near the king’s person, which were found in the city; and the principal scribe of the host, who mustered the people of the land; and threescore men of the people of the land, that were found in the midst of the city.
- Ezekiel 40:14: He made also posts of threescore cubits, even unto the post of the court round about the gate.
- Daniel 3:1: Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon.
- Daniel 5:31: And Darius the Median took the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
- Daniel 9:25: Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
- Daniel 9:26: And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
- Jonah 4:11: And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
- Then the angel of the LORD answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?
- Luke 2:37: And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day.
- Luke 16:7: Then said he to another, And how much owest thou? And he said, An hundred measures of wheat. And he said unto him, Take thy bill, and write fourscore.
- And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs.
- Acts 7:14: Then sent Joseph, and called his father Jacob to him, and all his kindred, threescore and fifteen souls.
- Acts 23:23: And he called unto him two centurions, saying, Make ready two hundred soldiers to go to Cæsarea, and horsemen threescore and ten, and spearmen two hundred, at the third hour of the night;
- Acts 27:37: And we were in all in the ship two hundred threescore and sixteen souls.
- I Timothy 5:9: Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man,
- Revelation of John 11:3: And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
- Revelation of John 12:6: And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
- Revelation of John 13:18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
David Haslam (talk) 18:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Five locations where small caps is inappropriate for the divine name
There are five verses in the OT where the divine name `LORD` is printed in uppercase. In each case, this is because it is part of a longer phrase that's printed in capital letters. These are:
- Exodus 28:36 'HOLINESS TO THE LORD'
- Exodus 39:30 'HOLINESS TO THE LORD'
- Deuteronomy 28:58 'THE LORD THY GOD'
- Jeremiah 23:6 'THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS'
- Zechariah 14:20 'HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD'
Currently, these are still marked up as `<divineName>Lord</divineName>` and rendered by SWORD using small caps. No doubt, this was as a result of a global search/replace action when the divine name markup was originally applied in version 2.3 back in 2006. For these 5 exceptional locations, the simplest solution is `<divineName>LORD</divineName>`. David Haslam (talk) 13:34, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- See MOD-435 in JIRA. David Haslam (talk) 18:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
strongMorph:THnnnn codes for Hebrew Morphology
Here is a counted list of the 135 TH numeric codes used in the OT.
Count THcode ===== ====== 4 8674 but see below... 305 8675 73 8676 43 8677 2 8678 5 8680 36 8681 35 8682 28 8683 70 8684 750 8685 4119 8686 1183 8687 861 8688 2724 8689 71 8690 533 8691 118 8692 139 8693 158 8694 1 8695 1 8696 2 8697 12 8698 2 8699 3 8700 5 8701 1 8702 3 8703 13 8704 3 8705 5 8706 2 8707 8 8708 45 8709 2 8710 11 8711 9 8712 2 8713 178 8714 13 8715 113 8716 124 8717 2 8718 6 8719 3 8720 14 8721 1 8722 14 8723 6 8724 14 8725 4 8726 9 8727 12 8728 7 8729 1 8730 5 8731 2 8732 1 8733 118 8734 1606 8735 240 8736 793 8737 1432 8738 2 8739 2 8740 15 8741 8 8742 19 8743 1 8744 24 8745 1 8746 23 8747 147 8748 32 8749 141 8750 72 8751 51 8752 12 8753 233 8754 3 8755 3 8756 1 8757 2 8758 1 8759 7 8760 447 8761 2477 8762 798 8763 687 8764 2140 8765 2 8766 1 8767 8 8768 1 8769 19 8770 7 8771 9 8772 19 8773 1 8774 4 8775 8 8776 3 8777 1 8778 29 8779 5 8780 28 8781 11 8782 2 8783 1 8784 2 8785 9 8786 73 8787 8 8788 51 8789 43 8790 1 8791 93 8792 1 8793 194 8794 202 8795 1 8796 21 8797 2853 8798 19934 8799 4897 8800 310 8801 5396 8802 1415 8803 12586 8804 2 8805 4 8806 1 8807 1 8808 2 8809
There is no instance of TH8679 which corresponds to "Hebrew Word not translated in the English Version"[1] !
Discussion
At first, I had not found any dictionary module or database to interpret these codes. They were added during the earliest years of the KJV module. David Haslam (talk) 15:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
- Earlier versions of the Chinese Union Bible modules ChiUn & ChiUns also had similar Hebrew morphology markup, but for unknown reasons, the morph attribute values are in the form
"StrongsMorph:Hnnnn"rather than"strongMorph:THnnnn". The range of numeric codes is the same as for the KJV, but some of the statistics are different. David Haslam (talk) 07:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)- NB. The latest version of modules ChiUn and ChiUns no longer include any Hebrew morphology markup. They were rebuilt (2021-01-28) from the source files from http://bible.fhl.net/ David Haslam (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The leader of the STEPBible project has directed me to a website that includes the Hebrew morphology codes H8675 to H8809.
- First Gospel Publications © 2012 — All rights reserved.
- The main Hebrew page is http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/
- This has the title Hebrew & Aramaic Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance)
- Strong's Hebrew Dictionary & Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Lexicon of the Old Testament
- The first morphology example is http://lexiconcordance.com/hebrew/8675.html
- David Haslam (talk) 16:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Notes:
Particular cases
I have just discovered that there are 4 instances of a w element that has a morph attribute but no lemma attribute!
All four relate to the same word! The 4 locations are in Ezra 5:3,6; 6.6,13
Line 140120: <w morph="strongMorph:TH8674">to them Tatnai</w>, Line 140169: <w morph="strongMorph:TH8674">that Tatnai</w>, Line 140475: <w morph="strongMorph:TH8674">Tatnai</w>, Line 140604: <w morph="strongMorph:TH8674">Tatnai</w>,
NB. These line numbers related to a re-arranged XML file.
I think this is a markup error!
These should actually have lemma="strong:H08674" and no morph attribute!
Fixing this would reduce the number of numeric strongMorph:TH codes to 134 and would remove the overlap of such codes with the range of Strong's numbers for Hebrew. David Haslam (talk) 12:55, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- This issue is fixed in KJV / KJVA version 3.1 - David Haslam (talk) 13:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Key to THnnnn codes
- Please add table here when one is found.
Blayney 1769 edition: quarto or folio?
Is our KJV reference text the quarto or the folio edition of Blayney? Might there be any differences between them? Would a proofreader need to check against both, or would one suffice? David Haslam (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
- The Gale ECCO facsimile reprint that I have (vol 2 of 4) matches the quarto edition. David Haslam (talk) 06:47, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Dmsmith has the folio edition - a complete photocopy of the original (complete with all the front and back matter) and including the Deuterocanonical books. David Haslam (talk) 16:00, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Punctuation issues?
These preliminary observations have been reported by a user:
- Gen.1.2 Blayney has no comma after "without form"
- Gen.2.9 Blayney has no comma after "sight"
There may be many more punctuation differences that have hitherto not been detected. David Haslam (talk) 08:22, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Self-closing w elements
The KJV contains 6631 self-closing w elements. All but one of these are in the NT.
The one exception is in Gen.44.10 and is <w lemma="strong:H03651"/>
Including that, there are only 37 instances of lemma="strong:H03651"
The question is whether that one such instance in the OT was a mistake? David Haslam (talk)
- NB. Of those in the NT, 4111 are like this:
<w src="??" lemma="strong:G3588 lemma.TR:τον" morph="robinson:T-ASM"/>
- where ?? is the word position in the TR.
- Those in the NT were by design and correspond to where a word in the Greek TR is not translated. David Haslam (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Words with ligatures in Blayney
Words containing the digraph 'ct'
Here is a counted list of words in the KJV that contain the digraph 'ct' that is sometimes (always?) printed as a typographical ligature in the Blayney 1769 Oxford edition. The list excludes the word Acts for the book name. There is no Unicode codepoint for a "Latin small ligature ct" and there never will be!
Count Word with ct ===== ============ 2 Actually 4 Arcturus 3 Correction 6 Destruction 1 Instruction 1 Practise 10 Sanctify 1 Sanctuary 1 Victory 1 abjects 1 actions 1 active 1 activity 75 acts 1 addicted 2 adjective 2 affected 1 affecteth 6 affection 1 affectionately 1 affectioned 2 affections 66 afflicted 1 afflictest 89 affliction 13 afflictions 1 benefactors 1 circumspectly 3 collection 1 compacted 2 conducted 1 confection 1 confectionaries 1 conjuntction 3 construction 1 constuction 1 contradicting 2 contradiction 1 convicted 2 corrected 2 correcteth 19 correction 4 corrections 3 correctly 3 delectable 115 destruction 5 destructions 1 dictionary 6 directed 5 directeth 2 direction 2 directly 1 distinction 1 distinctly 1 distracted 1 distraction 1 doctor 3 doctors 56 doctrine 5 doctrines 1 effected 6 effectual 2 effectually 1 elected 6 election 1 erected 4 exacted 1 exacter 1 exacteth 1 exaction 3 exactions 1 exactly 1 exactor 1 exactors 1 exactress 17 expectation 4 expected 2 expecting 1 expects 1 function 1 functions 1 incorrectly 1 inflicted 25 instructed 3 instructer 1 instructing 50 instruction 1 instructor 1 instructors 7 insurrection 2 jurisdiction 6 majorSection 1 malefactor 3 malefactors 1 mulcted 1 neglected 1 neglecting 8 perfected 2 perfecting 12 perfection 1 perfections 7 perfectly 1 perfectness 1 phylacteries 1 picture 4 pictures 2 practices 4 practise 2 practised 1 practiseth 1 protectest 1 protection 1 protectors 4 punctuation 1 rectify 29 rejected 1 rejecteth 1 respected 1 respectedst 1 respecter 2 respecteth 1 respectfully 41 resurrection 5 sanctification 68 sanctified 4 sanctifieth 62 sanctify 5 sanctuaries 143 sanctuary 3 satisfaction 1 satisfactory 1 spectacle 1 stacte 1 subjected 14 subjection 1 unconnected 1 unction 17 victory 6 victual 20 victuals
David Haslam (talk) 13:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Words containing the digraph 'sb'
Here is a counted list of words in the KJV that contain the digraph 'sb' that is sometimes (always?) printed as a typographical ligature in the Blayney 1769 Oxford edition. There is no Unicode codepoint for a "Latin small ligature sb" and there never will be!
2 Ahasbai 2 Husbands 1 Nebushasban 131 husband 7 husbandman 21 husbandmen 6 husbandry 18 husbands 7 husband’s 1 presbytery
David Haslam (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Words containing the digraph 'sk'
Here is a counted list of words in the KJV that contain the digraph 'sk' that is sometimes (always?) printed as a typographical ligature in the Blayney 1769 Oxford edition. There is no Unicode codepoint for a "Latin small ligature sk" and there never will be!
1 Asked 3 Askelon 1 Hiskijah 127 asked 3 askest 12 asketh 9 asking 24 basket 15 baskets 9 foreskin 5 foreskins 1 goatskins 1 husks 1 sheepskins 6 taskmasters 1 tasks 1 unskilful
David Haslam (talk) 08:54, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
Corrigenda reported in June 2023
Sabtechah or Sabtecha ?
- In Genesis 10:7, Blayney's folio reads "Sabtechah" where the KJV module has "Sabtecha".
- cf. I checked 1 Chronicles 1:9 in the Gale ECCO reprint. That has "Sabte-cha" where the hyphen is at the line boundary. It’s the only other occurrence for this name. David Haslam (talk) 08:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- "Sabtecha" is more consistent with usual KJV practice given the underlying Hebrew. Generally speaking, in the Old Testament the KJV ends a word in "-ah" only when that word ends in a silent ה. But Sabtecha in Genesis is spelled סבתכא, so usual KJV practice would be to read "Sabtecha" here. David Haslam (talk) 08:09, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
One word or two?
A user has reported that in some places Blayney has "my self" where the KJV module currently has "myself". e.g.Genesis 3:10: And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
A search of the KJV source text for the PCRE \w+sel(f|ves) currently matches 1713 instances in total.
These are for the words (myself|thyself|himself|herself|itself|ourselves|yourselves|themselves).
That total includes the text in study notes. All of these instances require checking. David Haslam (talk) 08:54, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- First indications are that
my self&thy selfare the only instances of two words being used in the Blayney edition. David Haslam David Haslam (talk) 08:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
- cf. The single words
todayandtomorrowdo not occur in the KJV. Those instances are all with two wordsto dayandto morrow- David Haslam (talk) 08:56, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- The same user has since cross-checked every instance with Blayney's folio and found that in every case except Genesis 3:10, Blayney uses "myself". David Haslam (talk) 08:56, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
- He also checked and found that in every case except in Genesis 13:10 (which has "thy self"), Blayney has "thyself". David Haslam (talk) 08:05, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
CrossWire's KJV policy in places where the Blayney 1769 had errors?
Is it CrossWire's goal to adhere to the 1769 text even in its errors?
Example
- In Genesis 18:27,30,31,32 the KJV module (v2.10.2) has the word "Lord" (with a capital 'L' and lowercase 'ord') - which is appropriate given that the Hebrew has Adonai in all four cases. In Blayney however, for all four verses, each instance of "Lord" is rendered with small-caps, as if the tetragrammaton had been used there.
- David Haslam (talk) 08:21, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
Extended Strong's Hebrew codes H9000 to H9050
I came across an email dated 2017-05-17 from the STEPBible project containing the following list of codes:
Prefixes: (with abbrev) 9000 vav= undifferentiated as verbal or conjunctive 9001 v= vav joined to verb with no intervening prefix (usually conversive) (futureópast) 9002 c= other vavs i.e. followed by prefix, suffix or non-verb (conjunctive) (‘and/but’) 9003 b= beth (‘in/on/with’) 9004 k= kaph (‘like/as’) 9005 l= lamed (‘to/for’) 9006 m= mem (‘from’) 9007 s= shin (‘which/that’) 9008 i= hé interrogative (‘?’) 9009 h= hé article (‘[the]’) Suffixes & endings 9010 a= aleph article (suffix) (‘[the]’) 9011 d= hé directional (‘to’) 9012 p= hé paragogic (‘[emph.?]’) 9013 n= nun paragogic (‘[emph.?]’) 9014 -=Maqqef 9015 ¦=Paseq 9016 :=Sof-Pasuq 9017 P=Pe paragraph 9018 S=Sameq paragraph 9019 N=Inverted Nun paragraph Personal suffixes on nouns = possessive e.g. Ps3m 9020 Ps1c=noun suffix: 1st p comm. sing. (‘my’) 9021 Ps2m=noun suffix: 2nd p masc. sing. (‘your’) 9022 Ps2f=noun suffix: 2nd p fem. sing. (‘your’) 9023 Ps3m=noun suffix: 3rd p masc. sing. (‘his’) 9024 Ps3f=noun suffix: 3rd p fem. sing. (‘her’) 9025 Pp1c=noun suffix: 1st p comm. plural (‘our’) 9026 Pp2m=noun suffix: 2nd p masc. plural (‘your’) 9027 Pp2f=noun suffix: 2nd p fem. plural (‘your’) 9028 Pp3m=noun suffix: 3rd p masc. plural (‘their’) 9029 Pp3f=noun suffix: 3rd p fem. plural (‘their’) Personal suffixes on verbs and preps (i.e. b, l, k, m but not c, v, h) = objective e.g. Os3m 9030 Os1c=verb/prep. suffix: 1st p comm. sing. (‘me’) 9031 Os2m=verb/prep. 2nd p masc. sing. (‘you’) 9032 Os2f=verb/prep. 2nd p fem. sing. (‘you’) 9033 Os3m=verb/prep. 3rd p masc. sing. (‘him’) 9034 Os3f=verb/prep. 3rd p fem. sing. (‘her’) 9035 Op1c=verb/prep. 1st p comm. plural (‘us’) 9036 Op2m=verb/prep. 2nd p masc. plural (‘you’) 9037 Op2f=verb/prep. 2nd p fem. plural (‘you’) 9038 Op3m=verb/prep. 3rd p masc. plural (‘them’) 9039 Op3f=verb/prep. 3rd p fem. plural (‘them’) Subject suffixes after a few words e.g. H3426, H5750, H2005, H0335, e.g. Ss3m 9040 Ss1c=subj..: 1st p comm. sing. (‘I’) 9041 Ss2m=subj.. 2nd p masc. sing. (‘you’) 9042 Ss2f=subj.. 2nd p fem. sing. (‘you’) 9043 Ss3m=subj.. 3rd p masc. sing. (‘he’) 9044 Ss3f=subj.. 3rd p fem. sing. (‘she’) 9045 Sp1c=subj.. 1st p comm. plural (‘we’) 9046 Sp2m=subj.. 2nd p masc. plural (‘you’) 9047 Sp2f=subj.. 2nd p fem. plural (‘you’) 9048 Sp3m=subj.. 3rd p masc. plural (‘they’) 9049 Sp3f=subj.. 3rd p fem. plural (‘they’) 9050- cantillation Notes: 1. Private use characters \x90 and \x91 replaced by single quotation marks \u2018 and \u2019 2. Private use character \x96 replaced by horizontal tab \x09 (DFH 2023-06-29)
These are not yet being used in the CrossWire KJV project. David Haslam (talk) 14:03, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- These codes are used in the module ESV_th which is licensed by Crossway Bibles for use with STEPBible. David Haslam (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Open Scriptures Hebrew Bible
A very useful resource that may help us to enhance the markup of the OT part of the KJV module is the Open Scriptures Hebrew Bible project on GitHub. This is the home of the OSHB module in the main CrossWire repository. David Haslam (talk) 15:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Word positions in the MT & Strong's numbers for words with a MAQAF
The MAQAF (U+05BE) is the Ancient Hebrew equivalent to hyphenation.
In the KJV module, these compound names are joined by the endash U+2013 rather than by the ordinary hyphen/minus,
e.g. Beer–sheba.
A notable difference in how Strong's numbers are marked in the OSHB compared to the KJV has been observed.
This relates to whether Hebrew words that contain a MAQAF are counted as a single word or as two or more words.
Thus for verses that contain one or more such words, there would be inconsistency in assigning word positions after the first part of that word.
This inconsistency is also apparent in regard to which Strong's numbers are used for such words.
- In the KJV, words that contain a MAQAF have a single Strong's number for the whole word.
- In the OSHB, words that contain a MAQAF have separate Strong's numbers for each part of the word.
This issue has not yet been discussed with any of the Hebraists contributing to the OSHB project. David Haslam (talk) 13:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
