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== Style of headings ==
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Please cull on this page from time to time stuff which is not relevant anymore. No need to formally archive. [[User:Refdoc|refdoc]]:[[User_Talk:Refdoc|talk]] 02:10, 8 January 2018 (MST)
  
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Despite the good example of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(capital_letters) Wikipedia], the CrossWire wiki  uses capital letters in headings in many places where they are not needed. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 11:51, 16 September 2008 (MDT)
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== Proposals etc ==
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: Wikipedia isn't our style guide. I, and I would guess many other contributors to the wiki, use standard English-language title casing for section headings. --[[User:Osk|Osk]] 14:06, 16 September 2008 (MDT)
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I have deleted the page re new ideas as it is a bad idea. It was full of vague proposals without developer support, links to projects which have no connection to us and platforms which we will not support. As such anyone who has a active developmemt ongoing is invited to make use of the wiki pages to collect input, but I do not think it should be a free for all. Proposal pages should be opened only by the peopel who actually will fulfill the proposal. [[User:Refdoc|refdoc]]:[[User_Talk:Refdoc|talk]] 11:43, 8 January 2018 (MST)
  
 
== Improving the Development  Pane ==
 
== Improving the Development  Pane ==
  
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The ideal Frontend wishlist item should be moved to become a section on a more general new page [[Development Roadmap]]. IMHO, it is too verbose to be here on the main page. Please comment. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 19:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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The ideal Frontend wishlist item should be moved to become a section on a more general new page Development Roadmap. IMHO, it is too verbose to be here on the main page. Please comment. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 19:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:Thanks to [[User:Osk|Osk]] for starting to follow this up. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 21:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 
:Thanks to [[User:Osk|Osk]] for starting to follow this up. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 21:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
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I have deleted the links to the Ideal frontend wishlist - it is a massive page with a lot of useful stuff hidden under garbage and outdated things - we need to cull that to size before we make it reappear.[[User:Refdoc|refdoc]]:[[User_Talk:Refdoc|talk]]
  
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== unlisted Frontends ==
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== Front-ends ==
  
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[http://lukeplant.me.uk/kio-sword/ KIO_Sword] is a URL handler for Sword project modules that makes installed modules browsable in Konqueror. This means it's Mac/Linux compatible. It's so small and functional. I'm putting it into talk instead of the main page because I  don't know what the criteria for listing is.  (and since I don't own it...)
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Please restrict the listing of front-ends on the [[Main Page]] to those which are at least at beta test status. It is better to list new front-end development projects in the [[Current Projects]] page. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 19:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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::''Mikey, please sign talk page edits using four tilde, which get converted automatically.'' [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 17:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 
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:For anyone unfamiliar with it, here is a Wikipedia stub about the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konqueror Konqueror] browser. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 17:30, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 
  
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== Using Talk pages to discuss how to improve pages ==
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== xulsword & phpsword ==
  
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If you have ideas or suggestions on how to improve pages on this wiki, please discuss these in the Talk page for the relevant page. Always add new Talk page headings in chronological order. Keep ongoing discussion threads indented using colons. Always sign edits to talk pages using four tilde, which gets automatically converted to your username signature with a time-stamp. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 10:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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'''xulsword''' was originally developed as Windows based front-end, but more recently has also been adapted as a Firefox extension.
  
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== Citation extensions for Mediawiki software ==
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'''phpsword''' is part of the xulsword project, but is a server based front-end. For a demonstration, please visit [http://ibt.org.ru/en/text.htm?mc2=WEB&l=Rev.3&g=200#sv IBT Bible Browser].
  
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We seem to lack the extended features required to support citations and references.  See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Footnotes#Compatibility_with_other_MediaWiki_sites]. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 11:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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[[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 14:07, 26 July 2012 (MDT)
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== Jargon? ==
 
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CrossWire uses a lot of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jargon jargon] that may be familiar to computer programmers and the like, but which easily mystifies the typical Bible student visiting this site for the first time. Even the word [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-end_and_back-end Frontend] is an example of such jargon. ''What can we do to make things easier for visitors?'' [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 10:54, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 
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:Most of my edits today were to help the uninitiated understand what '''v11n''' means. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 19:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Diatheke ==
 
  
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Why is '''diatheke''' categorized under "No longer being actively developed" ? [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 17:16, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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:With the changes to Mozilla Firefox add-ons infrastructure, xulsword is no longer available as a Firefox extension. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 01:47, 8 January 2018 (MST)
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: Diatheke gets occasional bugfixes for either genuine bugs or incompatibilities with the current library version, but I haven't put any amount of serious work into it since 2001. It doesn't even support GenBooks (which, I assume, were added post-2001). I (or maybe even someone else) might pick up development and add more features some day, but until then I wouldn't consider it under active development. --[[User:Osk|Osk]] 21:14, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
 
  
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== Front-ends ==
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== C# bindings ==
  
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Please restrict the listing of front-ends on the [[Main Page]] to those which are at least at beta test status. It is better to list new front-end development projects in the [[Current Projects]] page. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 19:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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I have just removed the following link from the Development pane.
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* [[DevTools:CSharp Bindings on Windows]]
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This is already linked from the page [[DevTools:Bindings]]. A link from the main page isn't required.
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--[[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 07:23, 8 January 2018 (MST)
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The Bindings are one of the most crucial feature of the library and are very much main page material. Please do not edit anything in this section. [[User:Refdoc|refdoc]]:[[User_Talk:Refdoc|talk]] 11:50, 8 January 2018 (MST)
  
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== Flashcards ==
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== Program Crash ==
  
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A search of the wiki for '''flashcard''' gives no hits. Please would someone create a new page about these. This topic was prompted by the question from Wes Widner in the SWORD Dev mailing list. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 15:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
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Whatever we decide to do with the [[DevTools:Program Crash|Program Crash]] page, it shouldn't be linked from the Main Page, but merely from one of the Support pages.  --[[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 15:36, 8 January 2018 (MST)
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:It's very technical, and wouldn't be understood by the casual visitor. --[[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 15:37, 8 January 2018 (MST)
  
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== Front-ends no longer actively being developed ==
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::And that is not true. This is a technical place and there is no point in hiding pages like this.[[User:Refdoc|refdoc]]:[[User_Talk:Refdoc|talk]] 00:35, 9 January 2018 (MST)
  
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I decided to move this subsection's contents to a new wiki page, to reduce clutter on the main-page. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 12:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
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:::It's not something to see immediately behind the "front door". Surely a link from one of the Help pages would suffice? That's not the same as hiding it. It's merely putting it in its proper place. In a well designed wiki, not everything should be linked from the Main Page! [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 05:45, 9 January 2018 (MST)
  
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== xulsword & phpsword ==
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== Whiteboard ==
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'''xulsword''' was originally developed as Windows based front-end, but more recently has also been adapted as a Firefox extension.
 
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'''phpsword''' is part of the xulsword project, but is a server based front-end. For a demonstration, please visit [http://ibt.org.ru/en/text.htm?mc2=WEB&l=Rev.3&g=200#sv IBT Bible Browser].
 
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[[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 14:07, 26 July 2012 (MDT)
 
  
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== MiniBible ==
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Making the '''Whiteboard''' section title into a link makes it stand out too prominently against all the other section titles.  IMHO, it's better to have plain text for the section heading, and a link to the Whiteboard page as a bullet point item. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 06:56, 11 January 2018 (MST)
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:Done! [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 07:14, 11 January 2018 (MST)
  
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Just came across [http://www.ruinelli.ch/harmattan/minibible MiniBible] app for the Harmattan (Maemo 6/MeeGo) based Nokia mobile phone N9, developed by George Ruinelli. It mentions SWORD modules, so I guess it's a new front-end that had previously escaped our attention. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 09:48, 4 November 2012 (MST)
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== OSIS ==
  
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== The SWORD Project for Windows ==
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I've restructured this section and added a link to our copy of the '''OSIS 2.1.1 XSD''' file, which is useful to have on the main page while the '''BibleTechnologies''' website is unavailable. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 11:40, 11 January 2018 (MST)
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:OSIS being jargon, I have made the section heading verbose. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 11:41, 11 January 2018 (MST)
  
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Absent a statement from Troy regarding the discontinued development of The SWORD Project for Windows, no, you don't get to deprecate it by fiat, David. --[[User:Osk|Osk]] 01:56, 5 December 2013 (MST)
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== Contributions? ==
  
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:I had half-expected this response, Chris (so I don't blame you for reverting). By all means raise this with Troy, or through CW-Private. Troy had already explained to me several months ago that it would be a dauntingly difficult task to update BibleCS to become compatible with the latest release of SWORD. As no-one has done any work towards this goal since 2008, it was not so much a personal 'fiat', but based on the ''de facto'' observations that any of us could make. We all know that this early front-end was once our flagship product for Windows users, yet the fact that it's five and half years out of date must make visitors to our main public website wonder what on earth we are doing. As a very minimum, my edits yesterday have prompted a response. This in itself was something I positively intended, even though it might seem a rum way of going about things. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 03:02, 5 December 2013 (MST)
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The linked page title '''Contributions''' is somewhat vague and gives no indication what such page is for and why one should visit it. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 21:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
  
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::It's now seven years since the last release. Absent any further objections since December 2013, it still seems most inappropriate to retain [[Frontends:BibleCS|The SWORD Project for Windows]] on our main page. It ought to be moved to [[Frontends:No longer being actively developed]]. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 13:09, 12 August 2015 (MDT)
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:::The SWORD Project for Windows v1.7.3 was released on Sun Aug 24 18:27:04 MST 2014. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] 08:11, 13 August 2015 (MDT)
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Whenever a new wiki page is created, please remember to include in it a suitable category or categories. [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] ([[User talk:David Haslam|talk]]) 21:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:18, 28 June 2018

Please cull on this page from time to time stuff which is not relevant anymore. No need to formally archive. refdoc:talk 02:10, 8 January 2018 (MST)

Proposals etc

I have deleted the page re new ideas as it is a bad idea. It was full of vague proposals without developer support, links to projects which have no connection to us and platforms which we will not support. As such anyone who has a active developmemt ongoing is invited to make use of the wiki pages to collect input, but I do not think it should be a free for all. Proposal pages should be opened only by the peopel who actually will fulfill the proposal. refdoc:talk 11:43, 8 January 2018 (MST)

Improving the Development Pane

The ideal Frontend wishlist item should be moved to become a section on a more general new page Development Roadmap. IMHO, it is too verbose to be here on the main page. Please comment. David Haslam 19:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to Osk for starting to follow this up. David Haslam 21:47, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the links to the Ideal frontend wishlist - it is a massive page with a lot of useful stuff hidden under garbage and outdated things - we need to cull that to size before we make it reappear.refdoc:talk

Front-ends

Please restrict the listing of front-ends on the Main Page to those which are at least at beta test status. It is better to list new front-end development projects in the Current Projects page. David Haslam 19:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

xulsword & phpsword

xulsword was originally developed as Windows based front-end, but more recently has also been adapted as a Firefox extension.

phpsword is part of the xulsword project, but is a server based front-end. For a demonstration, please visit IBT Bible Browser.

David Haslam 14:07, 26 July 2012 (MDT)

With the changes to Mozilla Firefox add-ons infrastructure, xulsword is no longer available as a Firefox extension. David Haslam (talk) 01:47, 8 January 2018 (MST)

C# bindings

I have just removed the following link from the Development pane.

This is already linked from the page DevTools:Bindings. A link from the main page isn't required. --David Haslam (talk) 07:23, 8 January 2018 (MST) The Bindings are one of the most crucial feature of the library and are very much main page material. Please do not edit anything in this section. refdoc:talk 11:50, 8 January 2018 (MST)

Program Crash

Whatever we decide to do with the Program Crash page, it shouldn't be linked from the Main Page, but merely from one of the Support pages. --David Haslam (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2018 (MST)

It's very technical, and wouldn't be understood by the casual visitor. --David Haslam (talk) 15:37, 8 January 2018 (MST)
And that is not true. This is a technical place and there is no point in hiding pages like this.refdoc:talk 00:35, 9 January 2018 (MST)
It's not something to see immediately behind the "front door". Surely a link from one of the Help pages would suffice? That's not the same as hiding it. It's merely putting it in its proper place. In a well designed wiki, not everything should be linked from the Main Page! David Haslam (talk) 05:45, 9 January 2018 (MST)

Whiteboard

Making the Whiteboard section title into a link makes it stand out too prominently against all the other section titles. IMHO, it's better to have plain text for the section heading, and a link to the Whiteboard page as a bullet point item. David Haslam (talk) 06:56, 11 January 2018 (MST)

Done! David Haslam (talk) 07:14, 11 January 2018 (MST)

OSIS

I've restructured this section and added a link to our copy of the OSIS 2.1.1 XSD file, which is useful to have on the main page while the BibleTechnologies website is unavailable. David Haslam (talk) 11:40, 11 January 2018 (MST)

OSIS being jargon, I have made the section heading verbose. David Haslam (talk) 11:41, 11 January 2018 (MST)

Contributions?

The linked page title Contributions is somewhat vague and gives no indication what such page is for and why one should visit it. David Haslam (talk) 21:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

Categories

Whenever a new wiki page is created, please remember to include in it a suitable category or categories. David Haslam (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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