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== About years == | == About years == | ||
− | John Nelson Darby did the initial | + | |
− | The | + | John Nelson Darby did the initial French translation. The New Testament was first published in 1859. He did some corrections in editions published in 1872, 1875 and 1878. |
+ | The Old Testament was first published in 1885 (he died in 1882). | ||
The last printed edition was done in 1975; a major change was to update chapter number from roman numerals to arabic numerals. There is no known significant modification in all the editions done since Darby's death. | The last printed edition was done in 1975; a major change was to update chapter number from roman numerals to arabic numerals. There is no known significant modification in all the editions done since Darby's death. | ||
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Currently, the last revision of the CrossWire beta module '''FreJND''' is version 1.16 dated 2008-06-13. | Currently, the last revision of the CrossWire beta module '''FreJND''' is version 1.16 dated 2008-06-13. | ||
− | + | The Text Source is from [http://www.bibliquest.org/ Bibliquest]. | |
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There are two whole Bible downloads available from Bibliquest: | There are two whole Bible downloads available from Bibliquest: | ||
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* [http://www.bibliquest.org/Bible/BibleJNDhtm-Bible.zip HTML format] | * [http://www.bibliquest.org/Bible/BibleJNDhtm-Bible.zip HTML format] | ||
* [http://www.bibliquest.org/Bible/BibleJNDdoc-Bible.zip MS Word format]. | * [http://www.bibliquest.org/Bible/BibleJNDdoc-Bible.zip MS Word format]. | ||
− | + | skc developped a tool to convert the text source (encoded in HTML) into the OSIS format, available on [http://koocotte.org/darby/ koocote.org/darby]. | |
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== Versification == | == Versification == | ||
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Many of these are locations detailed in [http://bibliquest.org/Bibliquest/Bibliquest-Discordances_de_numerotation_des_versets.htm]. | Many of these are locations detailed in [http://bibliquest.org/Bibliquest/Bibliquest-Discordances_de_numerotation_des_versets.htm]. | ||
− | == | + | == Known issues == |
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+ | === Bugs in the converter tool === | ||
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+ | ==== Unfixed issues ==== | ||
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+ | * Space problem in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/John.html#John.21.5 John.21.5] (twice, after ":" and after "?"), in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/John.html#John.18.22 John.18.22], in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/John.html#John.18.28 John.18.28] (before the parenthesis) | ||
+ | * Unordered letter ID in notes when references in NT (see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Matt.html#Matt.4.10 Matt.4.10] [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Heb.html#Heb.3.11 Heb.3.11]) | ||
+ | * Wrong paragraph division, examples: | ||
+ | ** add § in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.11.27 Gen.11.27], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.25.12 Gen.25.12] (problem with ☆ ?) | ||
+ | ** add § in several Psalms for example : [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.3.7 Ps.3.7], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.4.2 Ps.4.2], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.5.3 Ps.5.3], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.27 Ps.27], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.14.1 Ps.14.1] (middle of the verse) (Note : for good example, see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.2 Ps.2]) (problem with ✱ ? but not always !) | ||
+ | ** add two § in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/1John.html#1John.2.13 1John.2.13] | ||
+ | * Wrong note ID in titles of the [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Song.html Song], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Rev.html Rev] | ||
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+ | * [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/1Chr.html#1Chr.26.18 1Chr.26.18] : Replace in note : "voir la note** à" by "voir la note X à" (X = corresponding ID) | ||
+ | * [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Zech.html#Zech.5.3 Zech.5.3] : wrong note ID : note d must be c | ||
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+ | ==== Suggestions, ideas for improvement ==== | ||
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+ | * [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.3 Ps.3] : Tags should not be placed in the subtitle, but at verse 1 (no ?) | ||
+ | * Use range verses in osisRef, for continuous verses (''"<reference osisRef="Exod.22.26">Exode 22:26</reference>-27"'' should be replaced by ''"<reference osisRef="Exod.22.26-27">Exode 22:26-27</reference>"'' in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Job.html#Job.24.9 Job.24.9 (note)], for instance) (according to the OSIS Manuel, this syntax is valid). | ||
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+ | ==== Resolved issues ==== | ||
* Double dagger symbol (U+2021) in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Acts.html#Acts.16.30 Acts 16:30] reported by [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] corrected in 1.17 | * Double dagger symbol (U+2021) in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Acts.html#Acts.16.30 Acts 16:30] reported by [[User:David Haslam|David Haslam]] corrected in 1.17 | ||
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* Update link (replace http://www.bpcbs.com/ by http://www.labonnesemence.com/ in the .conf file) reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 | * Update link (replace http://www.bpcbs.com/ by http://www.labonnesemence.com/ in the .conf file) reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 | ||
* Missing letter ID in notes (see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.49.5 Gen.49.5], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Num.html#Num.21.12 Num.21.12]) reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 | * Missing letter ID in notes (see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.49.5 Gen.49.5], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Num.html#Num.21.12 Num.21.12]) reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 | ||
− | * | + | * Remove § in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.3.2 Gen.3.2], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.6.2 Gen.6.2], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.7.2 Gen.7.2], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.8.2 Gen.8.2], etc reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 |
− | + | * Add § in [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.10.2 Gen.10.2], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.37.2 Gen.37.2] (problem with new § on verse 2 not found) reported by [[User:Yvand|Yvand]] corrected in 1.17 | |
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− | == | + | === Upstream issues (Bibliquest) === |
Most of the errors listed below have been detected by comparing FreJND with BibleDatabase. | Most of the errors listed below have been detected by comparing FreJND with BibleDatabase. | ||
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* Gen (in French) | * Gen (in French) | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.4.20 Gen.4.20] : Remplacer ; par : | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.4.20 Gen.4.20] : Remplacer ; par : | ||
** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.5.28 Gen.5.28] : Remplacer "quatre-vingt deux" par "quatre-vingt-deux" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.5.28 Gen.5.28] : Remplacer "quatre-vingt deux" par "quatre-vingt-deux" | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.24.33 Gen.24.33] : Majuscule à "parle" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.24.33 Gen.24.33] : Majuscule à "parle" | ||
** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.29.11 Gen.29.11] : Ajouter virgule après "sa voix" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.29.11 Gen.29.11] : Ajouter virgule après "sa voix" | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.31.45 Gen.31.45] : Remplacer "un pierre" par "une pierre" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.31.45 Gen.31.45] : Remplacer "un pierre" par "une pierre" | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.38.11 Gen.38.11] : Ajouter virgule après "Et Juda dit à Tamar" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.38.11 Gen.38.11] : Ajouter virgule après "Et Juda dit à Tamar" | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.41.48 Gen.41.48] : Remplacer "mis" par "mit" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.41.48 Gen.41.48] : Remplacer "mis" par "mit" | ||
** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.42.19 Gen.42.19] : Remplacer "ou" par "où" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.42.19 Gen.42.19] : Remplacer "ou" par "où" | ||
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* Exod | * Exod | ||
** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Exod.html#Exod.6.2 Exod.6.2] : Lack space in "l'Éternel(Jéhovah)" | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Exod.html#Exod.6.2 Exod.6.2] : Lack space in "l'Éternel(Jéhovah)" | ||
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** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Rom.html#Rom.4.8 Rom.4.8 (note 1)] : Replace "c'est-à-dire" by "c. à d." (like almost every where else) and add italic | ** [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Rom.html#Rom.4.8 Rom.4.8 (note 1)] : Replace "c'est-à-dire" by "c. à d." (like almost every where else) and add italic | ||
− | == | + | === Issues related to frontends === |
− | === Xiphos === | + | ==== Xiphos ==== |
* [fixed] Note numbering doesn't follow the n attribute (of the n tag) | * [fixed] Note numbering doesn't follow the n attribute (of the n tag) | ||
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* [reported, still unfixed] Search problems with "[" and "]" (see [http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3291274&group_id=5528&atid=105528 report]) | * [reported, still unfixed] Search problems with "[" and "]" (see [http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3291274&group_id=5528&atid=105528 report]) | ||
− | === AndBible === | + | ==== AndBible ==== |
* [reported] U+2731 (✱) is replaced by a square (i.e. identified as an unknown character) (e.g. see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.49.2 Gen.49:2-3], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.41.10 Ps.41.10-11]) ([http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/issues/detail?id=103 see bug report]) | * [reported] U+2731 (✱) is replaced by a square (i.e. identified as an unknown character) (e.g. see [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Gen.html#Gen.49.2 Gen.49:2-3], [http://koocotte.org/darby/html/Ps.html#Ps.41.10 Ps.41.10-11]) ([http://code.google.com/p/and-bible/issues/detail?id=103 see bug report]) |
Revision as of 18:57, 27 June 2013
From paper to sword
Printed editions are 'tagged' using these special characters:
Textual | Unicode value[1] | French | English | Examples | Frequency |
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✱ | U+2731 | Alinéa | Large space between paragraph. | Gen.49.3 Gen.49.5 Lev.14.1 | 490 |
☆ | U+2606 | Grand alinéa | Larger space between paragraph. | Gen.2.4 Gen.3.1 Exod.1.8 | 504 |
★ | U+2605 | Petit alinéa (texte poétique) | Small space between paragraph (poetics) | Ps.42.1 Ps.73.1 Isa.36.1 | 17 |
- ↑ The default module font in some front-end applications may not display these special symbols. It would therefore make sense to specify a font that does in the conf file.
Divine Names are tagged as:
Textual | Unicode value | Original | Examples | Frequency |
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L'Éternel | YHWH | Gen.2.4 Gen.3.1 Exod.3.2 | ||
Dieu | Elohim | Gen.1.1 Gen.4.25 Exod.1.17 | ||
∗Dieu | U+2217 | El | Gen.14.18 Gen.16.13 Exod.6.3 | 212 |
†Dieu | U+2020 | Eloah | Deut.32.15 Neh.9.17 Job.3.4 | 50 |
∗Seigneur | U+2217 | Jehovah | Matt.1.20 Matt.2.13 Mark.1.3 | 137 |
About years
John Nelson Darby did the initial French translation. The New Testament was first published in 1859. He did some corrections in editions published in 1872, 1875 and 1878. The Old Testament was first published in 1885 (he died in 1882).
The last printed edition was done in 1975; a major change was to update chapter number from roman numerals to arabic numerals. There is no known significant modification in all the editions done since Darby's death.
Bibliquest
Currently, the last revision of the CrossWire beta module FreJND is version 1.16 dated 2008-06-13.
The Text Source is from Bibliquest. There are two whole Bible downloads available from Bibliquest:
skc developped a tool to convert the text source (encoded in HTML) into the OSIS format, available on koocote.org/darby.
Versification
French Bibles generally have versification differences compared to the KJV. The current module does not specify a versification in the conf file. The output from emptyvss indicates that there is a real issue that needs fixing:
Leviticus 6:24-30 Numbers 12:16 I Samuel 23:29 Job 38:39-41 Job 41:26-34 Psalms 13:6 Ezekiel 20:45-49 Hosea 11:12 Jonah 1:17 Matthew 23:14 Acts 8:37 Acts 15:34 II Corinthians 13:14
Many of these are locations detailed in [1].
Known issues
Bugs in the converter tool
Unfixed issues
- Space problem in John.21.5 (twice, after ":" and after "?"), in John.18.22, in John.18.28 (before the parenthesis)
- Unordered letter ID in notes when references in NT (see Matt.4.10 Heb.3.11)
- Wrong paragraph division, examples:
- Wrong note ID in titles of the Song, Rev
- 1Chr.26.18 : Replace in note : "voir la note** à" by "voir la note X à" (X = corresponding ID)
- Zech.5.3 : wrong note ID : note d must be c
Suggestions, ideas for improvement
- Ps.3 : Tags should not be placed in the subtitle, but at verse 1 (no ?)
- Use range verses in osisRef, for continuous verses ("<reference osisRef="Exod.22.26">Exode 22:26</reference>-27" should be replaced by "<reference osisRef="Exod.22.26-27">Exode 22:26-27</reference>" in Job.24.9 (note), for instance) (according to the OSIS Manuel, this syntax is valid).
Resolved issues
- Double dagger symbol (U+2021) in Acts 16:30 reported by David Haslam corrected in 1.17
- Hebrew using "Psaume" instead of "Chapter" reported by Etienne corrected in 1.17
- Typo in Num.33.51 ("paya" instead of "pays") reported by Etienne corrected upstream and in 1.17
- Nested note in Rom.9.33 reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
- Misplaced alineas (end of previous verse instead of start of next verse) reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
- Different dates (we can find two different dates : 1859 and 1975, in the .conf file and in the OSIS file (header>work>identifier)) -> See FreJND#About_years
- Update link (replace http://www.bpcbs.com/ by http://www.labonnesemence.com/ in the .conf file) reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
- Missing letter ID in notes (see Gen.49.5, Num.21.12) reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
- Remove § in Gen.3.2, Gen.6.2, Gen.7.2, Gen.8.2, etc reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
- Add § in Gen.10.2, Gen.37.2 (problem with new § on verse 2 not found) reported by Yvand corrected in 1.17
Upstream issues (Bibliquest)
Most of the errors listed below have been detected by comparing FreJND with BibleDatabase. Moreover, most of these errors are minor !
- Gen (in French)
- Gen.4.20 : Remplacer ; par :
- Gen.5.28 : Remplacer "quatre-vingt deux" par "quatre-vingt-deux"
- Gen.18.12 : Il manque une virgule après "Étant vieille"
- Gen.19.35 : Ajouter virgule après "elle se coucha"
- Gen.21.14-16 : Mauvais découpage des versets (cf verset 15)
- Gen.22.22 : Ajouter virgule après "Pildash"
- Gen.24.33 : Majuscule à "parle"
- Gen.29.11 : Ajouter virgule après "sa voix"
- Gen.31.45 : Remplacer "un pierre" par "une pierre"
- Gen.38.11 : Ajouter virgule après "Et Juda dit à Tamar"
- Gen.41.48 : Remplacer "mis" par "mit"
- Gen.42.19 : Remplacer "ou" par "où"
- Exod
- Exod.6.2 : Lack space in "l'Éternel(Jéhovah)"
- Exod.31.18 (note 1) : Replace "date A.C 1491." by "date A.C. 1491." (⇒ replace later by "date : 1491 avant Jésus-Christ." like other notes)
- Neh
- Neh.11.10 : Add ":" (i.e. replace "Des sacrificateurs Jedahia" by "Des sacrificateurs : Jedahia")
- Ps
- Replace ".." by "." in notes of Ps.34, Ps.60 (in the second note) ,Ps.111
- Eph
- Eph.3 and Eph.4 are continuous (like Eph.4 and Eph.5) (⇒ need to change the ID of the notes)
- Acts
- Acts.17.14 (note 1) : Replace "c'est-à-dire" by "c. à d." (like almost every where else)
- Rom
- Rom.1.20 (note 2) : Replace "c'est-à-dire" by "c. à d." (like almost every where else)
- Rom.4.8 (note 1) : Replace "c'est-à-dire" by "c. à d." (like almost every where else) and add italic
Xiphos
- [fixed] Note numbering doesn't follow the n attribute (of the n tag)
- [reported, still unfixed] Titles are in wrong order (this is not proper to FreJND) (see report)
- [reported, still unfixed] Search problems with "[" and "]" (see report)
AndBible
- [reported] U+2731 (✱) is replaced by a square (i.e. identified as an unknown character) (e.g. see Gen.49:2-3, Ps.41.10-11) (see bug report)
- [reported] Problem with several notes (e.g. see Deut.32.14) (see bug report)