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Why KJV2011 rather than KJV2010?

Simples! To mark the quatercentenary of the 1611 AV. David Haslam 22:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Jeremiah 50:6

A search of the KJV for the word resting gives five matches, all of which qualify the word place or places. The first four have a space (Numbers 10:33, II Chronicles 6:41, Proverbs 24:15, Isaiah 32:18). The fifth (Jeremiah 50:6) has no space. It would be more consistent if the KJV had a space here, so that an exact phrase search for resting place would not omit the fifth occurrence. David Haslam 12:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Accuracy is the goal, not precision. (My science background bleeds through) --Dmsmith 07:18, 17 November 2011 (MST)

The provenance of CCEL's KJV ThML file

CCEL's ThML file for the KJV contains 38204 instances of the word osisRef, evidence that it was originally derived from an OSIS XML file. Its revision history has "2002-06-10 Converted from GBF text." David Haslam 11:03, 22 April 2011 (MDT)

osisRef is part of ThML now, so that's not really evidence of anything (other than that it is ThML). --Osk 08:11, 25 April 2011 (MDT)
Thanks. David Haslam 09:36, 25 April 2011 (MDT)
Timothy Lanfear was the latest editor of the CCEL KJV. He and I collaborated on updating the KJV for both CCEL and CrossWire. Our goal was to have a correct 1769 version, in so far as that is possible. We started collaborating when our independent work was essentially done. His is not derived from the OSIS. Ours is not derived from the ThML. We compared the texts for differences and then independently came up with the outcome. I used a dead-tree text for the final determination. --Dmsmith 07:12, 17 November 2011 (MST)

Pilcrows in the KJV

Did you know the following?

  • There are 2970 ¶ in the KJV
    • In the OT, ¶ is found in every book except Psalms & Nahum
    • In the NT, ¶ is found only in the four Gospels & Acts

David Haslam 07:30, 23 April 2011 (MDT)

A book I read recently suggests that the possible reason for this was that the early printers just ran out of moveable type for Pilcrows. See [1]. David Haslam 13:41, 11 July 2011 (MDT)

Pilcrows in the Deuterocanonical books

The apocrypha books in the KJVA module have very few Pilcrow signs. It would be worth checking against a printed edition. David Haslam 02:38, 28 June 2011 (MDT)

Differences between the 1769 British Edition and the 1867 American Edition of the KJV ?

It may of be some use to determine all the minor differences between these two historic editions of the King James Bible.
Both versions are available online in the ABS BibleSearch website. David Haslam 02:46, 28 June 2011 (MDT)

Words that are attributed to Christ?

With reference to John 16:17 and DM's comment: "These are words that are attributed to Christ, not him actually speaking" – this case might be argued for some passages of the NT outside the Gospels, etc., in which Dominical Sayings are rehearsed by the writer. Examples:

  • Acts 20:35b, "..., how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive."
  • I Timothy 5:18b, ".... And, The labourer is worthy of his reward."

Yet these are marked with red letters in the KJV module. So either the reference text is inconsistent, or we went beyond it? David Haslam 07:58, 14 November 2011 (MST)

Likewise, how do we know with certainty who is the speaker in this red letter verse? The larger passage doesn't specifically tell us.
  • Revelation of John 16:15, Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

David Haslam 08:12, 14 November 2011 (MST)

My comment was more of a rationalization of why it might be not marked as Words of Christ. However, it doesn't matter if I am right or wrong. The goal is to have an accurately marked text, not a consistently marked text. To do this a dead-tree text is consulted as the final authority. --Dmsmith 07:14, 17 November 2011 (MST)